High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University

[Freedman]

Talk is cheap , at the end of the day are the unions accepting of the negro

This had been brought up several times in this thread and I don’t see the point. I’m pretty sure as a black man in America you are going to face the same discrimination whether you are applying for a job as a Computer Programmer, A Welder, or fry cook at McDonald’s

 

[RennisDeynolds]

People in trades will tell you all day about going to college to work an "easy" job i.e. not so labor intensive and hard on the body.

Now academics and experts are telling people to forgo college (mainly the debt) and go to vocational/technical school.

You got the companies spewing the same old tired ass bullshyt: "we don't have enough skilled workers / we can't find the talent here in the US" so they can hire H1-B visa foreigners for a fraction of the cost.

Good luck out there brehs

 

[Luck]

A lot of blatant stupidity and outright buffoonery in this thread

First off the article mentions “Skilled Trades” which most of you morons are conflating with labor / union jobs and these aren’t mutually inclusive. One you have to test in, go to school year round and train under journeyman for years to learn and the others you don’t.

Second, you clowns really need to stop spreading this misinformation about automation taking over this and that because you have absolutely no clue about what you’re speaking on and it’s painfully obvious. shyt is dangerous. You could potentially be talking people out of doing something that could be beneficial to em all because you want to parrot some dumbass rhetoric you heard somewhere about some field that’s completely unrelated.

Third, skilled trades aren’t really that labor intensive or bad for the body/health if you put your body first and not doing dumb shyt ( payin attention to lifting techniques, using the proper tools, knowin what you’re doin, following safety shyt, etc...) but you are working in the elements year round. There’s a lot of programming and computer jobs available also because a lot of this shyt is ran by computer systems and energy management software but you have to know how to do the field work and be out in the field as well as a “controls” guy

For the higher payin skilled trades you have to know your shyt, be a problem solver / able to fix shyt or offer solutions, be good with your hands and be good with people because they only see you and a high ass bill. Every day and every job is different, everybody likes things their own way and every manufacturer, home and commercial business does things different while having unique issues that need to be resolved.

Thread shows why nikkas are losin because a lot of you cats too stupid and feminine minded when it comes to just not saying anything about topics you’re ignorant on and admiting you’re intimidated by the shyt.

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

Oh no, there are other people out there with degrees like that's supposed to deter you?

I didn't say it was simple. A lot of people go to college and fukk around for years and then start complaining about how shyt didn't pan out. Unless you're going to a top university, going to college doesn't mean shyt if you don't take advantage of the opportunities. If you do tho, you're better off than the cats without degrees

This is basically pull yourself up by your bootstraps talk.

For everyone who fukks around in college there's someone who didn't. If there's only 20 jobs available and 100 qualified people then 80 people are going to be assed out and the student loan people don't care. They want their money from all 100 of those people.

Meanwhile Trades are giving on the job training plus paying for your schooling yet people up to their necks in student loan debt are looking down at people walking out of their school into a good job,a raise, and a certificate that says they learned something.

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

My Dad was a carpenter. He loves it. Owned his own business ect. But....

Most people aren't built for that kind of work.

 

[Noriega]

A lot of blatant stupidity and outright buffoonery in this thread

First off the article mentions “Skilled Trades” which most of you morons are conflating with labor / union jobs and these aren’t mutually inclusive. One you have to test in, go to school year round and train under journeyman for years to learn and the others you don’t.

Second, you clowns really need to stop spreading this misinformation about automation taking over this and that because you have absolutely no clue about what you’re speaking on and it’s painfully obvious. shyt is dangerous. You could potentially be talking people out of doing something that could be beneficial to em all because you want to parrot some dumbass rhetoric you heard somewhere about some field that’s completely unrelated.

Third, skilled trades aren’t really that labor intensive or bad for the body/health if you put your body first and not doing dumb shyt ( payin attention to lifting techniques, using the proper tools, knowin what you’re doin, following safety shyt, etc...) but you are working in the elements year round. There’s a lot of programming and computer jobs available also because a lot of this shyt is ran by computer systems and energy management software but you have to know how to do the field work and be out in the field as well as a “controls” guy

For the higher payin skilled trades you have to know your shyt, be a problem solver / able to fix shyt or offer solutions, be good with your hands and be good with people because they only see you and a high ass bill. Every day and every job is different, everybody likes things their own way and every manufacturer, home and commercial business does things different while having unique issues that need to be resolved.

Thread shows why nikkas are losin because a lot of you cats too stupid and feminine minded when it comes to just not saying anything about topics you’re ignorant on and admiting you’re intimidated by the shyt.

nikkas equating a low wage warehouse blue collar job to blue collar union pipefitters & ironworkers working on multimillion dollar industrial projects and 80 story skyscrapers

Just goes to show you how misinformed our people are about skilled trades cuz college has been jammed down our throats the last half a century

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

They never talk about the long term effects of these trade jobs.

 

[intruder]

STOP

As an Electrical Engineering I am telling you right now, not everyone is capable of making it in stem (don't even waster your time in stem unless you planning on getting more than just a bachelors). It's more than just math in fact math is the EASIEST PART OF STEM

you think shyt like electromagnetics and thermodynamics is a joke? I was in class with people who could have been my mother and fathers age trying to get this shyt right

Doggy I'm an electrical engineer too. I understand that not everyone will be able to understand fourrier transform or other required classes like signals and vhdl and assembly code. But the typical thing you hear about people avoiding engineering majors is " man I don't wanna fuxk with all this math"

You went through it. Was CalC1, Calc2 or DiffEq that hard? I don't think so and I don't believe I'm that much smarter than the average cat out there . But a lot of people just fear math and run away. Honestly I struggled a lot more in classes that requires a lot of reading like literature and so on. Granted English isn't my first language and I went to college in the US. But I still did okay in those classes with barely above average effort

 

[50CentStan]

college not for everybody but everybody doing the same shyt so everybody going to college

 

[Noriega]

Coli: All blue collar work is low paying and detrimental to your long term physical health

 

[Jesus]

A lot of blatant stupidity and outright buffoonery in this thread

First off the article mentions “Skilled Trades” which most of you morons are conflating with labor / union jobs and these aren’t mutually inclusive. One you have to test in, go to school year round and train under journeyman for years to learn and the others you don’t.

Second, you clowns really need to stop spreading this misinformation about automation taking over this and that because you have absolutely no clue about what you’re speaking on and it’s painfully obvious. shyt is dangerous. You could potentially be talking people out of doing something that could be beneficial to em all because you want to parrot some dumbass rhetoric you heard somewhere about some field that’s completely unrelated.

Third, skilled trades aren’t really that labor intensive or bad for the body/health if you put your body first and not doing dumb shyt ( payin attention to lifting techniques, using the proper tools, knowin what you’re doin, following safety shyt, etc...) but you are working in the elements year round. There’s a lot of programming and computer jobs available also because a lot of this shyt is ran by computer systems and energy management software but you have to know how to do the field work and be out in the field as well as a “controls” guy

For the higher payin skilled trades you have to know your shyt, be a problem solver / able to fix shyt or offer solutions, be good with your hands and be good with people because they only see you and a high ass bill. Every day and every job is different, everybody likes things their own way and every manufacturer, home and commercial business does things different while having unique issues that need to be resolved.

Thread shows why nikkas are losin because a lot of you cats too stupid and feminine minded when it comes to just not saying anything about topics you’re ignorant on and admiting you’re intimidated by the shyt.

Same general bullshyt when people about joining the military...they say blacks who don't go to college and do the military are c00ns. If you do a trade you're a low IQ person who couldn't cut it in college.

 

[monsterpreneur]

STOP

As an Electrical Engineering I am telling you right now, not everyone is capable of making it in stem (don't even waster your time in stem unless you planning on getting more than just a bachelors). It's more than just math in fact math is the EASIEST PART OF STEM

you think shyt like electromagnetics and thermodynamics is a joke? I was in class with people who could have been my mother and fathers age trying to get this shyt right

Truth. Graduated in Chemistry. My physical chemistry classes were tough. It’s not for everyone.

 

[MaxPain]

A lot of blatant stupidity and outright buffoonery in this thread

First off the article mentions “Skilled Trades” which most of you morons are conflating with labor / union jobs and these aren’t mutually inclusive. One you have to test in, go to school year round and train under journeyman for years to learn and the others you don’t.

Second, you clowns really need to stop spreading this misinformation about automation taking over this and that because you have absolutely no clue about what you’re speaking on and it’s painfully obvious. shyt is dangerous. You could potentially be talking people out of doing something that could be beneficial to em all because you want to parrot some dumbass rhetoric you heard somewhere about some field that’s completely unrelated.

Third, skilled trades aren’t really that labor intensive or bad for the body/health if you put your body first and not doing dumb shyt ( payin attention to lifting techniques, using the proper tools, knowin what you’re doin, following safety shyt, etc...) but you are working in the elements year round. There’s a lot of programming and computer jobs available also because a lot of this shyt is ran by computer systems and energy management software but you have to know how to do the field work and be out in the field as well as a “controls” guy

For the higher payin skilled trades you have to know your shyt, be a problem solver / able to fix shyt or offer solutions, be good with your hands and be good with people because they only see you and a high ass bill. Every day and every job is different, everybody likes things their own way and every manufacturer, home and commercial business does things different while having unique issues that need to be resolved.

Thread shows why nikkas are losin because a lot of you cats too stupid and feminine minded when it comes to just not saying anything about topics you’re ignorant on and admiting you’re intimidated by the shyt.

Where do I start? Im used to hard work my dad owns a landscaping company that I helped him with

I got low level experience from pops on stone cutting, laying down tiles, cement work, and plumbing

PM me fam

This office life can go to hell

 

[Jimmy from Linkedin]

This and the post you quoted is bullshyt. Machines will only replace jobs that require less critical thinking skills and more manual labor, period. That's because critical thinking requires a different type of computation than does manual labor and is subject to higher error.

That however doesn't mean every trade job doesn't require those skills. But that's the bottom line. Elon Musk actually ran into this problem at the tesla factory not too long ago. But machines can optionally replace workers, even if it is slower and more costly. Machines can't replace engineers at all and won't be able to for many years.

Please help me understand what is bullshyt about what I posted. I relegated my post to just molecular biology. Biology as a field has had too many graduates since the early 90's. There are definitely things about doing mol. bio. that do require talent and the touch, it is really finnicky and depends on the hand. Those who have that skill will be forever employed because that is something you cannot teach. Usually those who have that have that critical thinking ability.

But someone who has a passing interest in biology for example, should read on their own and pick up something else that can finance their curiosity, if it is just that. STEM doesn't have to be the only way. Graduate stipends at my institution are <30k for 5-7years. Which is after 4 years of not making any money. You will need more loans to survive unless you live with parents on something like that in the DC area. Then after you have your Ph.D you can sit pretty, under a mountain of debt. I am definitely not trying to talk any youngster out of pursuing biology or STEM at all. I am just trying to give them my experience. If they want to continue they will disagree and continue despite it all. Which is what we want, passioned people in pursuit. I did not find my perspective coming from anyone else until I had already been in the field.

The type of work done at the corporate level after you get your Ph.D is usually high-throughput, which means you are loading a robot to do the work that would normally take months to do.

My boss spoke about this cell culture machine like

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

THis has been the trend for decades.

Reposting an old post i made about a school i attended for a year



Just another example of cats having opportunities at their feet and squandering them away while others come in and eat off it. Then next thing you know they talkin'...

At my high school, we had free vocational classes too. You start in your junior year with morning classes at the location, then get bussed to school to finish the second half of the day for math, english, gym, and lunch. Senior year was the opposite schedule with vocational in the afternoon. You could take culinary, beautician, dental assistant, pluming, hvac, marine trades, carpentry and be certified when you graduate for FREE! We also had a program called co-op, where you could get a job, and be dismissed from school for the last two periods to go to work, and your boss would give evaluations, and feedback. The local retirement community hired a lot of kids from pur school for various positions.

Now I will say, we had decent funding because half of the main town is black middle class, and the other towns in the township are mostly white, and middle class, but the high school was about 50% black, 30% white, 10% latino, and 10% others. The majority of the vocational students were black.