Hillary Clinton's Campaign is running a master class right now. Pay attention #DemStorm

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Nonsense. America has always been "divided" that's a ridiculous talking point. From day one the GOP set out to block everything Obama tried to accomplish and they had control. If dems voted in midterm elections you wouldn't be trying to raise that point, goals would have been achieved.

Obama destroyed his competition in both elections and 8 years later he still has a high approval rating. He would be reelected again if it were possible. Being a great orator has nothing to do with a racist right pressing the pause button on governing for 8 years.

 

[714562]

Nonsense. America has always been "divided" that's a ridiculous talking point. From day one the GOP set out to block everything Obama tried to accomplish and they had control. If dems voted in midterm elections you wouldn't be trying to raise that point.

Obama destroyed his competition in both elections and 8 years later he still has a high approval rating. He would be reelected again if it were possible. Being a great orator has nothing to do with a racist right pressing the pause button on governing for 8 years.

It's not a ridiculous talking point. Great political speeches are tied to great political achievements. FDR's "Day of Infamy" address was great because he united the nation and ultimately led the United States to victory in WW2. JFK's "Go to the Moon" speech is great because we went to the moon. The Gettysburg Address is great because Lincoln eventually won the Civil War. The "Tear Down This Wall" speech is great because Reagan saw the wall come down.

Barack Obama doesn't have a speech that touches any of those because he doesn't have an accomplishment that touches any of those.

Look, I understand that Obama is dealing with the political realities of his time. Maybe if he had a Democrat congress for more than two years, things would have gone differently. But a truly great speaker --- like historically great --- can unify people behind a common cause and lead them to results. Barack Obama is a very talented speaker. But he's not FDR status.

 

[gluvnast]

The Clinton machine was ruthless against Obama in '08....how quick did we forget all the fucckery she was trying to pull on him? Dude just had Mayweather defensive skills. Dipping and dodging everything she thrown. But it is true that the VAST majority of the racist stereotypes on Obama came from Hillary, but she's on that revisionist history despite Trump speaking the truth on who's the originator of the birther shyt.

 

[NZA]

if her campaign was strong there would be more excitement around her.

naw, she is a flawed candidate. cant build excitement around somebody like this with even machiavelli on your team

 

[Brown_Pride]

? i don't get this thread?
Are we pretending that Hillary is actually causing Trump to be a horrible candidate? I say this with no jest intended, but I at this point would have voted for a warm glass of cranberry juice over Trump. Hillary could approach every debate at this point and literally just quack like a duck for an hour and a half and it would still make more sense that this shyt Trump is doing.

But let's not for a second pretend she's anything more than a horrible candidate.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Hopefully it's more of a jew bomb

Considering it's Trump there's a high probability it's both.

 

[bdkane]

It's not a ridiculous talking point. Great political speeches are tied to great political achievements. FDR's "Day of Infamy" address was great because he united the nation and ultimately led the United States to victory in WW2. JFK's "Go to the Moon" speech is great because we went to the moon. The Gettysburg Address is great because Lincoln eventually won the Civil War. The "Tear Down This Wall" speech is great because Reagan saw the wall come down.

Barack Obama doesn't have a speech that touches any of those because he doesn't have an accomplishment that touches any of those.

Look, I understand that Obama is dealing with the political realities of his time. Maybe if he had a Democrat congress for more than two years, things would have gone differently. But a truly great speaker --- like historically great --- can unify people behind a common cause and lead them to results. Barack Obama is a very talented speaker. But he's not FDR status.

Reagan's "tear down this wall" speech while at best tacitly approving Apartheid is one of the most overrated pieces of bullshyt. Only cacs and c00ns fail to see this. fukk him

 

[Robbie3000]

there's a reason the Clintons have been in power for 25 years. They are both brilliant politicians. You might not like them or their politics and there's certainly a few issues I have with them, more than a few actually but they are A+

You watch Hill at the Benghazi hearing and she was taking down very successful prosecutors. Over 11 hours she never slipped up or wavered. Trey Gowdy thought he was about to end her political career and he got washed.

Now they are washing billionaires.

It certainly helps when you are playing chess and your opponent is playing tic tac toe.

Trump is being severely outclassed.

 

[Standing on business]

The Clinton machine was ruthless against Obama in '08....how quick did we forget all the fucckery she was trying to pull on him? Dude just had Mayweather defensive skills. Dipping and dodging everything she thrown. But it is true that the VAST majority of the racist stereotypes on Obama came from Hillary, but she's on that revisionist history despite Trump speaking the truth on who's the originator of the birther shyt.

This is true, before this started I was thinking the GOP had a great shot this election because of hatred for Hillary, I have no idea why they put trump at bat. That's like the time that gave McCain Sarah palin. They just seem to do blatantly stupid shyt.

 

[wire28]

Who you consider to be the "greatest orator of our age" depends on what "our age" means. But whatever your timeline, the measure of an effective political orator is whether they can achieve their political objectives by unifying the country through the strength of their oratory. By that standard, Barack Obama fails completely. The country is more divided than ever, despite his speeches. In fact, some of his speeches have contributed to the division, like his "cling to guns and bibles" gaffe.

He also doesn't really have any truly "iconic" presidential speeches that will go on to define his actual presidency. To date, his undisputed best work (and the speech people will probably remember him by) is the 2004 DNC keynote speech. That's the speech where he gave this famous line, "There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America — there's the United States of America." That's the also the speech that introduced the phrase "The audacity of hope" to the United States. But he wasn't president when he made that speech and he hasn't topped it since.

None of his speeches about shootings will stand out because there have been too many. And there are no parts of the Bin Laden speech that really stand out either.

He doesn't have a "Tear down this wall!" speech like Reagan. He doesn't have a "We choose to go to the moon" speech like JFK.

Is better than Bill? Maybe. Bill had a totally different style of speaking--a "folksier" vibe, if you will. But greatest orator of our time? Nope. Not by a long shot. We haven't seen the greatest orator of our time yet.

Kind of hard to unify when the half of the country won't listen because you are black. And your political peers state they want to make you a one term president and go on to obstruct everything you do down to the underwear you want to wear the next day.

? i don't get this thread?
Are we pretending that Hillary is actually causing Trump to be a horrible candidate? I say this with no jest intended, but I at this point would have voted for a warm glass of cranberry juice over Trump. Hillary could approach every debate at this point and literally just quack like a duck for an hour and a half and it would still make more sense that this shyt Trump is doing.

But let's not for a second pretend she's anything more than a horrible candidate.

And that's where you should have stepped out.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Saving that atomic n-bomb tape for a few days before election day

 

[Robbie3000]

This is true, before this started I was thinking the GOP had a great shot this election because of hatred for Hillary, I have no idea why they put trump at bat. That's like the time that gave McCain Sarah palin. They just seem to do blatantly stupid shyt.

The right wing base is making all the decisions right now and they are either too stupid or too ideological to make good strategic decisions.

 

[Savior]

Yep...say what you want about Hillary but she completely destroyed this orange haired fakkit. The second polls were getting close she dropped that atomic bomb on his ass now even Texas is in play . Even repubs like Ryan were smart enough to realize she's got more surprises on deck every week from now till the election and got out while they still could

 

[BillBanneker]

It certainly helps when you are playing chess and your opponent is playing tic tac toe.

Trump is being severely outclassed.

If you're talking about wikileaks then

 

[714562]

Kind of hard to unify when the half of the country won't listen because you are black. And your political peers state they want to make you a one term president and go on to obstruct everything you do down to the underwear you want to wear the next day.

Of course. And that's why, in a subsequent post, I said this:

Great political speeches are tied to great political achievements. FDR's "Day of Infamy" address was great because he united the nation and ultimately led the United States to victory in WW2. JFK's "Go to the Moon" speech is great because we went to the moon. The Gettysburg Address is great because Lincoln eventually won the Civil War. The "Tear Down This Wall" speech is great because Reagan saw the wall come down.

Barack Obama doesn't have a speech that touches any of those because he doesn't have an accomplishment that touches any of those.

Look, I understand that Obama is dealing with the political realities of his time. Maybe if he had a Democrat congress for more than two years, things would have gone differently. But a truly great speaker --- like historically great --- can unify people behind a common cause and lead them to results. Barack Obama is a very talented speaker. But he's not FDR status.