Hillary Clinton's Campaign is running a master class right now. Pay attention #DemStorm

[AV Dicey]

The right wing base is making all the decisions right now and they are either too stupid or too ideological to make good strategic decisions.

they're too reactionary. The good lord blesses our species with the ability to think 2 steps ahead and here they're fighting Trump's fukkeries...in this age .
A party that has lost the black and hispanic vote for a generation is outchea trying to lose the womens vote over freaking Trump. Let that nikka deal with that bullshyt, you dont see dems supporting Bill's fukkery. That wikileaks shyt is catnip for journos but it's too scattershot it wouldn't stick with the general public...but sexual assault, that's the hill they wanna die on and it's not like they dont know how this is going to end, their propaganda arm just fired its boss over the same shyt

 

[Robbie3000]

It's not a ridiculous talking point. Great political speeches are tied to great political achievements. FDR's "Day of Infamy" address was great because he united the nation and ultimately led the United States to victory in WW2.

FDR could have came up there and farted on the microphone and the country would have been ready to go to war. Let's not act like it was his oratory skills that led the country to war after the bombing of fukking Pearl Harbor.

JFK's "Go to the Moon" speech is great because we went to the moon.

The cold war motivated us to go to the moon. Without the urgency of the cold war, that great speech would have fell on deaf ears.

The Gettysburg Address is great because Lincoln eventually won the Civil War. The "Tear Down This Wall" speech is great because Reagan saw the wall come down.

Barack Obama doesn't have a speech that touches any of those because he doesn't have an accomplishment that touches any of those.

Look, I understand that Obama is dealing with the political realities of his time. Maybe if he had a Democrat congress for more than two years, things would have gone differently. But a truly great speaker --- like historically great --- can unify people behind a common cause and lead them to results. Barack Obama is a very talented speaker. But he's not FDR status.

I could say that his speech on race led to the election of the first black president despite the Reverend Wright tapes.

Are you a white guy? Because it seems like you don't really have a clue about the kind of obstruction Obama was facing due to his race.

 

[DrDealgood]

These mufukkas really are deplorables. Russian bots and their zombie follower rednick/redpill cacs spreading shyt about taking back the ability of women to vote and casting doubt on these grope victims. Worthless cacs days ago talmbout "We must hear these decade-old already-tried cases against Slick Willy who isn't even the one running for President" now be all like "These women are "

fukk THEM AND fukk THEIR DYING ASS PARTY. I'd say we need to be ready for them to go all Tim McVeigh after 11/8 but the devils more likely to die on their Rollator Walkers while grabbing more Cheeto Chicken Fries at the Wal-Mart while gasping out their final words "fukking cucks..."

 

[714562]

FDR could have came up there and farted on the microphone and the country would have been ready to go to war. Let's not act like it was his oratory skills that led the country to war after the bombing of fukking Pearl Harbor.

Oh really? Does Woodrow Wilson have a "Day of Infamy" speech? No. No he does not. Because he was a boring speaker, regardless of the fact that he led the country to war.

The cold war motivated us to go to the moon. Without the urgency of the cold war, that great speech would have fell on deaf ears.

Doesn't affect my argument at all.

I could say that his speech on race led to the election of the first black president despite the Reverend Wright tapes. Are you a white guy? Because it seems like you don't really have a clue about the kind of obstruction Obama was facing due to his race.

Except I literally just said that I understood Obama had to deal with the political realities of his time. That's not the point. At all. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you argue that factors beyond JFK's control somehow devalue JFK's "We Choose to go to the Moon" Speech. And then you argue that factors beyond Obama's control shouldn't devalue the legacy of his speeches. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not saying Obama is a bad speaker. Far from it. But he doesn't have that one presidency-defining speech that presages a political victory. He just doesn't have it. Doesn't matter the reason. It's not there.

 

[Airfeezy]

Saving that atomic n-bomb tape for a few days before election day

Might actually get him more votes breh

 

[wire28]

Of course. And that's why, in a subsequent post, I said this:

So how can he meet your arbitrary qualifications when people chose not to follow him before he even speaks? How is he supposed to unify people that don't want to be unified? You negated your own point.

 

[Paper Boi]

i would love to know what campaigns or political science classes nap has ever taken to know this is a "master class"


reposting tweets he read by hillary supporters and reddit posts don't count.

i once worked on a campaign in a 70% republican district and got the dems to win. that was a master class. this shyt is childs play.

 

[wire28]

I'm not saying Obama is a bad speaker. Far from it. But he doesn't have that one presidency-defining speech that presages a political victory. He just doesn't have it. Doesn't matter the reason. It's not there.

Yeah, he's white. @Robbie3000

 

[714562]

So how can he meet your arbitrary qualifications when people chose not to follow him before he even speaks? How is he supposed to unify people that don't want to be unified? You negated your own point.

Whoever said he was "supposed" to do something? Presidents aren't entitled to the possibility of an all-time great speech. He's not "supposed" to do anything. If the political climate sucks and he can't unify people through his oratory, that's nobody's fault. But the bottom line is that great orators achieve great policy results.

We don't give great athletes a pass for failing to win a title because the league was too competitive during their heyday. All of these things you're talking about are irrelevant.

Again, he's a very inspirational speaker. But "greatest of our time?" Nope.

 

[wire28]

Whoever said he was "supposed" to do something? Presidents aren't entitled to the possibility of an all-time great speech. He's not "supposed" to do anything. If the political climate sucks and he can't unify people through his oratory, that's nobody's fault. But the bottom line is that great orators achieve great policy results.

We don't give great athletes a pass for failing to win a title because the league was too competitive during their heyday. All of these things you're talking about are irrelevant.

Again, he's a very inspirational speaker. But "greatest of our time?" Nope.

Sure thing, bob.

 

[714562]

Sure thing, bob.

Yeah, this is a reply worthy of a Hillary stan.

Is she going to be the second-greatest orator or our time?

 

[wire28]

Yeah, this is a reply worthy of a Hillary stan.

Is she going to be the second-greatest orator or our time?

It's the only reply you deserve if you will continue to be intentionally obtuse and set random, arbitrary guidelines as to what makes a speaker good.

(And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by saying you are being obtuse and not just an idiot)

 

[714562]

It's the only reply you deserve if you will continue to play coy and set random, arbitrary guidelines as to what makes a speaker good.

(And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by saying you are being coy and not just an idiot)

HA! My guideline is much more objective and much less arbitrary than just reading the transcripts of his speeches and analyzing their prettiness like some kid in a freshman writing class.

Stay mad.

 

[Brown_Pride]

And that's where you should have stepped out.

i bet in your mind that was a "master-class" level reply too huh?

 

[FaTaL]

Hopefully they'll be at the next debate