Hopefully the midrange game returns next season

[nieman]

So what some of y'all are saying is that a C shooting a 3 is better than a C with a nice 10' jumpshot? Because of analytics. I just don't understand it. They're manipulated stats. Because shooting from 25' is much easier and valuable than shooting from 15'. So, I guess a FT is worthless, since it's a 10' shot only worth 1 point.

No matter how y'all try to spin it, 33% is never better than 50%. You still took more shots from a longer distance and made less to just make them equal. It's if a company produces more widgets (or the same), sells much less but at a higher price. You're still wasting resources in the production (so for this argument - energy).. At some point fatigue sets in...your legs don't have that lift, your arms become heavier. And if 33% > 50%, then no one can use any shooting percentages to ever to argue against a player.

The midrange game is so savvy and almost impossible to guard. A nice pull-up midrange is an open shot the majority of the time. You catch defenders off guard, they can't sag off of you or guard you up close. 1-2 dribble pull-up and you get the and 1.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So what some of y'all are saying is that a C shooting a 3 is better than a C with a nice 10' jumpshot? Because of analytics. I just don't understand it. They're manipulated stats. Because shooting from 25' is much easier and valuable than shooting from 15'. So, I guess a FT is worthless, since it's a 10' shot only worth 1 point.

No matter how y'all try to spin it, 33% is never better than 50%. You still took more shots from a longer distance and made less to just make them equal. It's if a company produces more widgets (or the same), sells much less but at a higher price. You're still wasting resources in the production (so for this argument - energy).. At some point fatigue sets in...your legs don't have that lift, your arms become heavier. And if 33% > 50%, then no one can use any shooting percentages to ever to argue against a player.

The midrange game is so savvy and almost impossible to guard. A nice pull-up midrange is an open shot the majority of the time. You catch defenders off guard, they can't sag off of you or guard you up close. 1-2 dribble pull-up and you get the and 1.

Why do y'all dudes always create straw man shyt when it comes to "analytics"? In this context, it's all about maximizing opportunities for points per possession - that's not to say the midrange is completely useless and should be abandoned altogether, it just means high percentage shots (in and around the paint/at the rim) and high points per shots (behind the arc) are more beneficial.

Y'all are only enamored by the "mid-range" because it's in line with tradition. No other reason. Same reason why you let the box score govern how you view the game.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

On top of that they now preach if you're going to shoot a 2, drive to the basket, and then wonder why these guys have no legs down the stretch.

It's crazy.

It's less about that, and more about defensive activity being at its absolute peak in NBA history (which I haven't seen discussed on here much) - you can't blame "driving" on the Rockets players having no legs down the stretch, when they hardly ever handle the ball to drive. Players are exerting more energy / running more miles and at a faster pace on defense than ever before, that it's taking a toll on their offense as the season goes on - shooting from the midrange isn't going to change that, especially since most players would exert more energy getting a shot off in that area.

 

[Momentum]

I get the midrange game, but why don't teams post up big men anymore?

Ask Terry Rozier if teams still post up

 

[LeMAO]

That's why they've should attacked the paint more. Taking mid-range shots when they're out of rhythm ain't gonna do shyt, especially since it'll shrink the floor, giving the Warriors defenders more chance to rotate over and contest shots.

scoring at mid range will put you in rhythm, same with freethrow. It's a jump shot that actually closer, this is a good and better option while a player having a bad three point shooting night

 

[CrimsonTider]

I like pace and space and all the 3's, and I still have not seen a good argument as to why the mid-range should come back in vogue. It is still the most inefficient shot in basketball. The last couple of games represent outliers and not a showcasing of what's prevalent, but then again this is the same board that believes the top of the key pick and roll is ruining the NBA because that's all they see while playing 2K.

Those games were not outliers. This entire postseason has been trash due to players jacking up 3s with no regard

 

[Stick Up Kid]

If any of yall play basketball with kids.under 10..
All they do is try to shoot from deep

Why the hell would any of us play a pick up game with 9 year olds

 

[Jplaya2023]

not unless you make the midrange shots worth 3 pts as well

if youre a volume shooter and shoot 50% from the 2 youre getting the same amount of points as if youre shooting 33% from the 3...you gotta understand that math doesnt lie...and making 3s at 33% if you have a shot is generally easier than shooting 50% from the midrange

the nba isn't about numbers on a paper or a spreadsheet. When you play the game you have to understand what's working and what isn't. If i miss 27 straight 3's i need to do something else. Analytics have ruined the game because people think they can sit down and put pen to pad about how nba games works. Had the rockets simply took 2 point shots from half those 27 3pt shots they win the game in a vacuum. What people aren't realizing is houston jacking those 3's lead to long rebounds which led to GS fast breaks in which they hit their own 3pt shots and got back into the game. You have to slow the tempo down take closer shots and grind the game out.

 

[thelonious21]

Why the hell would any of us play a pick up game with 9 year olds

I see why you are the WOAT

 

[neph27]

reading the nonsense in this thread from everyone who failed probability and statistics in high school

while all y'all are talking about the failure if the rockets and how badly their analytics worked because of a one game sample size

I'm out here as a Knicks fan not even able to dream of a season like they just had pushing the warriors to 7

keep it in perspective

 

[Jplaya2023]

The Boston Celtics are the perfect example of why you need the midrange. 2 reliant on 3pt shots, or trying to get to the rim. Two games in a row, you shoot terrible 3s ans can't generate any offense. Unless you got Steph & Klay in your back court stop shooting 3s like this.. smh Tatum

 

[Styles]

Tatum is great but it’s the same flaw harden has in the playoffs. He needs a go to shot he can hit when he really needs it. Law of averages win out in the regular season but gotta have it moments.. need a money shot.

 

[Gizza]

75 missed 3’s in 2 games by Boston.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Boston Celtics are the perfect example of why you need the midrange. 2 reliant on 3pt shots, or trying to get to the rim. Two games in a row, you shoot terrible 3s ans can't generate any offense. Unless you got Steph & Klay in your back court stop shooting 3s like this.. smh Tatum

4 of the last 7 shots that Boston had in Game 2 were in the midrange*.

They couldn't hit shyt down the stretch except for that Tatum dunk; it didn't matter what shot they were taking. It's been the story for them over the first two games.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Furthermore, Tatum and JB are the last players who should be priortizing the midrange given one can't dribble and the other dribbles himself into trouble.