Horace Grant Taking Shots At Scottie Pippen And Phil Jackson In 1993

[Tony D'Amato]

He really thought it was a big 3

 

[Cheese McNair]

Perspective is crazy

The BJ thing I took as him competing and not lying down to Michael. Kerr I saw as showing backbone to Michael punch or not. Toni also regrouped after the 1st game and went on to become a valued contributor to the team

That’s how I took it

Well almost every player that played with or against MJ said “I wanted to show I wasn’t afraid of Michael” or some variation of wanting to prove something.

And they all got sonned by the goat or had it displayed that they weren’t the future(Toni). It highlights how inferior everyone else was.

 

[Youngdev]

This Horace grant Stan in here wilding

 

[The_Sheff]

No lies told. Pippen proved him right.

 

[blankstairz]

Well almost every player that played with or against MJ said “I wanted to show I wasn’t afraid of Michael” or some variation of wanting to prove something.

And they all got sonned by the goat or had it displayed that they weren’t the future(Toni). It highlights how inferior everyone else was.

Cartwright wasn't afraid. He was in the documentary,but MJ picking on him and Cartwright threatening MJ was not in the documentary.

ESPN.com: Page 2 : Jordan: Between the pages

MJ and Bill Cartwright were, for a time, co-captains of the Bulls.

Sam Smith, in ""The Jordan Rules"" wrote that Jordan had no respect for Cartwright, told his teammates to keep the ball away from Cartwright in crucial late-game situations (even if coach Doug Collins called a play involving Cartwright), and belittled the veteran publicly. Cartwright confronted Jordan:

Excerpt: He didn't do or say anything to anybody until late that season, when he told Jordan he needed to talk to him.

There was little small talk exchanged. "I don't like the things I've heard you saying about me," Cartwright told Jordan.

Jordan stared at him.

"If I ever hear again that you're telling guys not to pass me the ball," Cartwright continued, "you will never play basketball again."

That was it. But as Cartwright began to move better after surgery following the 1989-90 season, Jordan began to accept him more.

 

[jwinfield]

BJ on Charlotte was seen as a joke to MJ. BJ had one good game and MJ was like that’s cute.

Even BJ said he knew Charlotte had no chance. MJ wasn't at BJ having a good game, but at BJ going crazy celebrating. BJ knew what the response would be

When it came to Toni, MJ was like after the second Olympic game but overall he didn’t see the hype.

Toni got love in the series, they discussed why he was getting so much hype and even after talking about MJ and Scottie going after him in the first game, they talked about how he came back and played well in the 2nd game. I didn't see anything from Mike saying he didn't see the hype.

They even showed all the clutch shots he made his rookie year, including the one against the Knicks, with Phil saying he did it because Toni had been successful at it before.

He punched Kerr then felt bad that he “beat up the smallest player on the team” like Kerr was some little kid

Michael was listed at 6-6, 215. Kerr was listed at 6'3, 175.

1995-96 Chicago Bulls Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

He was the smallest player on the team that he admitted to fukking with just because he didn't like the way Phil was calling fouls. The doc made it a point to show that Kerr responded by hitting Mike back before Mike punched him. They used that and talked about his father's death to show that Steve wasn't a punk, and then followed that up by showing the trust MJ had by making that play call in the 97 finals.

Not sure how Steve got sonned when they showed MJ trusting him to take the shot and even included parts of his speech at the championship rally.

 

[True Blue Moon]

Y’all keep talking about the snitch. Breh, as a former newspaper reporter, I promise you, you don’t get a 300+ page book without corroborating facts with several sources. Sam Smith talked to people all through that organization, from players to front office staff, without a doubt. Horace quite possibly shared more than others, but it’s too easy to say it’s 100% on him.

 

[Cheese McNair]

*valid points*

I should rewatch it then


The doc just seem highlighted how great and above everyone Jordan was. Seem like everyone got a lil prop but then got brought right back down to normal level or in some cases below normal(even Rodman).

MJ looked godly even with the shortcomings they brought up. But I’m just a casual fan, so you’re probably right

 

[mcellas]

And cats got the nerve to talk about MJ being unfair and saying shyt to make him look good when Horace doing shyt like this.

Horace good friends with the author, got love in the acknowledgements, and the author said he hit him up to confirm stuff, but Mike was making up stuff when he said Horace was the snitch.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Horace denied being the snitch, as in the “sources close to the Bulls locker room” guy. He never denied being quoted in the book. That’s simple journalism.

Yeah, EVERYBODY was at least quoted in the book. There's plenty of quotes that are seemingly MJ directly talking to Sam Smith. There's a dfference between simple journalism and sources.

And the thing is, people who act like that book was some major MJ smear campaign haven't actually read the damn thing. It's pretty fair...but as we know, MJ's a psychopath, so the truth is pretty damning if you give it enough material to begin with. He covers the bad AND the good. Even showing his sympathetic side talking about how depressed he was after Magic's HIV announcement and Sam Smith seemingly takes his side for refusing to go to the White House in '92.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Horace grant was a good player but he was a lot more taj Gibson than he was a Chris bosh.

Grant wasnt going to anyone's team out of college and doing for them what bosh did for Toronto. If it wasn't the bulls horace grant would have just been someone else's 2nd or 3rd option. I can't believe this is even being argued

 

[NYC Rebel]

I used to joke around and imitate how Horace Grant scored. It would be me acting as if I was standing under the basket getting a feed off of a double team MJ or Scottie had and scored an easy dunk.



That's how Horace often scored.

 

[El Jefe]

Whore-ace Grant

Whore Ass Grant
* fixed

 

[mastermind]

Yeah, EVERYBODY was at least quoted in the book. There's plenty of quotes that are seemingly MJ directly talking to Sam Smith. There's a dfference between simple journalism and sources.

And the thing is, people who act like that book was some major MJ smear campaign haven't actually read the damn thing. It's pretty fair...but as we know, MJ's a psychopath, so the truth is pretty damning if you give it enough material to begin with. He covers the bad AND the good. Even showing his sympathetic side talking about how depressed he was after Magic's HIV announcement and Sam Smith seemingly takes his side for refusing to go to the White House in '92.

It doesn't matter at this point. A lot of the people here have become radicalized Jordan fanatics and the media has fed into it the last 30 years. The wild thing here tho is that this took place in a month! This is how people became MAGA heads.

 

[MikelArteta]

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