Hot Take: Diddy ruined Hip-Hop worse than Gangster rap and Drill did

Bondye Vodou

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What is there to hop over?

It’s nonsense.

In 96 hip hop split into mainstream versus underground due to the Bad Boy commercialization of the culture.

This allowed Southern acts like No Limit and Cash Money to gain traction as hip hop fans outside of the Northeast were looking to any alternative to that bullshyt.

Lil Wayne is a byproduct of that.
Nonsense my foot. Y'all skipped over that NY was already doing Pop and R&B rap in the 80s with acts like LL Cool J., for example, who y'all worshipped like the greatest thing since sliced bread. Lets keep it real the "Diddy destroyed Hip-Hop" movement is a crab-ass, jealous ass nikka movement. They OVERLOOK the plethora of nikkas from the 80s and 2000s and pin it all on Bad Boy.

And tryna then say the shiny shuit rap was worse than gangster rap and drill?

:russ:

Gimme a break son

Dis pose to be worst.....


.........than dis


:wow:
 

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Gimme a break son

Dis pose to be worst.....


.........than dis


:wow:

I’m not your son, bushman.

What you and the rest of the new arrivals fail to realize is that Puffy opened the floodgates that eventually led to that with his promotion of money, cars, and clothes over everything and excessive materialism over spiritualism and community.

Julio Foolio would’ve been a super regional local nikka nobody ever heard of outside of the hoods of Florida in the early 90s before the shift.

He would’ve been flooded out by quality music and you wouldn’t know he existed.

And Puffy also played a huge role in pushing mainstream Southern gangsta rap that eventually led to a Julio Foolio.

 

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I’m not your son, bushman.

What you and the rest of the new arrivals fail to realize is that Puffy opened the floodgates that eventually led to that with his promotion of money, cars, and clothes over everything and excessive materialism over spiritualism and community.

Julio Foolio would’ve been a super regional local nikka nobody ever heard of outside of the hoods of Florida in the early 90s before the shift.

He would’ve been flooded out by quality music and you wouldn’t know he existed.

And Puffy also played a huge role in pushing mainstream Southern gangsta rap that eventually led to a Julio Foolio.


U right, u more like a daughter, with ur feminine bytchmade mental gymnastics. Again, girl, Puffy ain't did shyt new. He just mixed a bunch of styles that already existed in hip hop. Now continue with your feminine irrationally, daughter.
 

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Nah. Will was part of an bigger picture: the "jiggy era". He even made a song called "Gettin Jiggy With It". His album was titled "Big Willy Style" which lent itself to willies, ballers, and macks and the glorification of the excess. Will Smith 's album was bigger than No Way Out and Life After Death.
Both Life After Death and No Way Out dropped well before Big Willie Style. I know the terms big Willie and getting jiggy were already prevalent but he was absolutely riding Puffs wave. Puff was the poster child for all the balling and excess at the time and sampling well known R&B hits and all that was displayed on Will’s album
 

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Bingo

All that r&b mix with hip hop and sampling came along the art of hip hop was going down

EPMD said it right keep the crossover
That shyt was inevitable tho and the wheels had been put in motion long before Puff. New Edition had BEEN rapping on their songs and BBD took it to another level. Teddy Riley had BEEN going back n forth from hip hop to R&B. All that New Jack Swing shyt. Heavy D. Puff was a product of all that and took it to another level
 

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Nwa ruined hip hop

A lot of oldheads seem to refuse to criticize them in any way. :sas2:

Eazy E himself done influenced millions of black men to engage in ignorance, drugs, and violence to be "real nikkaz" and not take formal education seriously, which spiraled out to GENERATIONS of black men tapping out of true wealth building and educational institutions altogether.
 
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Puffy is 1B in the demise of Hip Hop.

Eazy E was 1A of it. Promoting black men to be superthugs and denounced black power and anything of uplifting value is NASTY WORK. "Real nikka" paradigm is mental slavery.
You make valid points. To play devil's advocate, I'd say Diddy was more responsible for the demise of hip-hop as a culture and art form, while Eazy was more detrimental to black youth overall, less so hip-hop.

I'd also argue that Eazy was a product of that 80s crack era environment where gangs in LA rose to power in the 70s as the leadership of Black Panthers/Black Power groups was eliminated by the Gov't. Eazy personified the LA gangbanger mentality. He was influenced by them first, before they were influenced by him.
 
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you're going to need to show your work on this one

It would be a waste of time considering Jay’s whole persona was that of a non confrontational drug dealer that sneak dissed people he didn’t want to be bothered with

Drill is the complete opposite of that :why: :mjlol:
 
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I’m not your son, bushman.

What you and the rest of the new arrivals fail to realize is that Puffy opened the floodgates that eventually led to that with his promotion of money, cars, and clothes over everything and excessive materialism over spiritualism and community.

Julio Foolio would’ve been a super regional local nikka nobody ever heard of outside of the hoods of Florida in the early 90s before the shift.

He would’ve been flooded out by quality music and you wouldn’t know he existed.

And Puffy also played a huge role in pushing mainstream Southern gangsta rap that eventually led to a Julio Foolio.





:mjlol: Nah man nikkax been balling
 
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Puff ruined hip hop popularizing the term “hating” as a means of quieting legitimate criticism

Now THIS is a legitimate argument. That element never left…

Although the response would be it was a necessary defense against people who were adamant about being close minded to music that was opposed to their taste
 

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This reply doesn't even make sense. Diddy never stopped rap as a genre from growing either. Diddy influenced the stunt rap that we later saw in Jay Z, No Limit, Cash Money and so on. And drill rap has literally been linked to ending actual lives. Are you serious right now? You're comparing 'music careers of Bad Boy artists' to an actual genre that promotes and celebrates the killing of a Black people? Are you really sitting here and lying with a straight face as if drill rap isn't responsible for way more deaths of Black people? What are you smoking? :what:
Thank you
 

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Both Life After Death and No Way Out dropped well before Big Willie Style. I know the terms big Willie and getting jiggy were already prevalent but he was absolutely riding Puffs wave. Puff was the poster child for all the balling and excess at the time and sampling well known R&B hits and all that was displayed on Will’s album

The Trackmasters, who produced Big Willy Style, were already successful at sampling well known R&B hits via Foxy's Ill Na Na and LL's Mr. Smith. Balling and excess was already something we saw with Nas's It Was Written. He was brought in to write for Will. Will Smith wasn't following Puff.
 

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For strictly musical and content reasons? Nah. Not even close. I do think Puff going OD looping 80s hits for the beat and taking a hook from another hit hurt the industry. In that it drove publishing percentages for the original writers and the price of clearing samples through the roof. Which led to the cheap Casio beats of the late 90s that permanently watered down the NY sound. If you got to pay big money up front for clearances and give away 90% of your royalties to release the track, at some point it don't make business sense to sample.

You can also say he was a major factor, either direct or indirect, in Pac and BIG murders which did incalculable damage to hip hop musically and culturally. Dude is a crook, a psychopath and a sexual deviant but the music industry always been full of all those types.

But strictly music? When he was relevant, Puff only pushed crazy talented artists for the most part. 94-03 Bad Boy had many classic tracks, albums and that 94-97 era especially is still some of the most fun to listen to hip hop music ever made while still being nice lyrically. He still promoted the standard that rappers need to have bars. Even himself, he couldn't rap very well but at least used elite writers and ain't pretend he was a real rapper.

The anti-lyricism, pro-ignorance movements that was not only accepted but embraced by the audience was way more harmful than Bad Boy's extravagance and materialism. And all the notable Bad Boy albums had more grounded subject matter to balance the party shyt and bravado, even No Way Out.
 

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The Trackmasters, who produced Big Willy Style, were already successful at sampling well known R&B hits via Foxy's Ill Na Na and LL's Mr. Smith. Balling and excess was already something we saw with Nas's It Was Written. He was brought in to write for Will. Will Smith wasn't following Puff.
All of them were following Puff to a degree. Didn’t It Was Written come about due to Nas losing the Source Award to Ready to Die?
 
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