Hot Take: Diddy ruined Hip-Hop worse than Gangster rap and Drill did

[Westbama Heartthrob]

But that's on those artists though. Biting was a sin in this. Nobody should be copying.

If you choose to bite someone else's style and try to hop in a lane that ain't yours, you can't be on some "I wouldn't be doing this, if that dude wasn't so successful with it, and made me feel I should do the same sh*t. He's ruining Hip Hop for all of us." HAHA!!

In '98, all of Def Jam was selling platinum, doing street sh*t, including Redman. So was Pun. There was a lot of music being made on the East Coast that was the opposite of what Bad Boy was doing, that sold mad records.

Nobody should be, but it's kinda inevitable that a lot of people hop on waves. Like when 80s rappers tried to be hard-core during gangsta raps peak

nikkas could eat but that was still while being in bad boy's shadow. Mase went 4x Plat. Puff 7x

Even a dusty NY nikka like nas was making pop records at that point. It was written was more mainstream than illmatic but the singles still had substance

 

[Awesome Wells]

I hate that term shiny suit era becuz that era was so much more than what Bad Boy was doing at the time. And they actually got a lot of hate for it. shyt breh Wu Tang dropped Forever the same year as No Way Out and it was one of the biggest albums of the year

Same here.

That era wasn't defined by that. But Puff's success bothered so many people that they only speak about what he was doing at the time, and ignore all of the other sh*t that was selling mad records. That never made any sense.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Nobody should be, but it's kinda inevitable that a lot of people hop on waves. Like when 80s rappers tried to be hard-core during gangsta raps peak

nikkas could eat but that was still while being in bad boy's shadow. Mase went 4x Plat. Puff 7x

Even a dusty NY nikka like nas was making pop records at that point. It was written was more mainstream than illmatic but the singles still had substance

True, in music, people always hop on waves.

But we can't blame Puff for other people being followers. He was using samples and popular loops since '91-'92, with the stuff he was doing for Uptown/MCA, just as an A&R. That was his approach. The minute other artists and labels saw it working at a platinum level, they all started biting. That's not his fault. He was on that before he even had Bad Boy.

Two things I found mad annoying back then, were people hating and complaining about what Bad Boy was doing, and also dudes biting and trying to hop on what they were doing. I don’t want to listen to MC's making songs about other n*ggas' styles and I also don’t want to see dudes copying other people's sh*t. That was always corny to me. Which is why the most successful MC's at the time, focused on their own lane and didn't bite or focus on Puff's sh*t. The dudes who couldn't sell, were the ones either biting or complaining about Bad Boy. That was wack.

 

[JustCKing]

ignore all of the other sh*t that was selling mad records. That never made any sense.

This.

Will Smith was near Diamond doing the exact same thing Puff was doing. Then Will bragged about not having to cuss to sell records.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

True, in music, people always hop on waves.

But we can't blame Puff for other people being followers. He was using samples and popular loops since '91-'92, with the stuff he was doing for Uptown/MCA, just as an A&R. That was his approach. The minute other artists and labels saw it working at a platinum level, they all started biting. That's not his fault. He was on that before he even had Bad Boy.

Two things I found mad annoying back then, were people hating and complaining about what Bad Boy was doing, and also dudes biting and trying to hop on what they were doing. I don’t want to listen to MC's making songs about other n*ggas' styles and I also don’t want to see dudes copying other people's sh*t. That was always corny to me. Which is why the most successful MC's at the time, focused on their own lane and didn't bite or focus on Puff's sh*t. The dudes who couldn't sell, were the ones either biting or complaining about Bad Boy. That was wack.

Boot Camp Click immediately comes to mind. First ones to talk about keeping it real and how they ain’t R&B but then went to a glossier sound becuz they didn’t wanna be pigeonholed. For the People is still one of my most disappointing hip hop moments

 

[BmoreGorilla]

This.

Will Smith was near Diamond doing the exact same thing Puff was doing. Then Will bragged about not having to cuss to sell records.

Tbf tho I’m 99.9% sure that Will was just riding Puff’s wave

 

[Awesome Wells]

Boot Camp Click immediately comes to mind. First ones to talk about keeping it real and how they ain’t R&B but then went to a glossier sound becuz they didn’t wanna be pigeonholed. For the People is still one of my most disappointing hip hop moments

Exactly!

We started looking at them funny around that time. They were mocking Bad Boy in videos and hating, even though B.I.G. was from right around their way. But that was jealousy. He was selling mad records, and they weren't. And we loved Enta Da Stage, Nocturnal and Dah Shinin', but too many rappers were salty about watching labels like Bad Boy blow up, while they didn't. Even De La was salty. Next thing you know, they had videos with chicks and glossier looks too. And it was all downhill for them after that.

Even though during that same time, the underground was bubbling crazy and mad classic sh*t was still dropping. Truth of the matter is, all of those rappers wanted what Bad Boy and their roster had, but they didn't want to say it out loud. So when Bad Boy came out of nowhere and was selling mad records, they resented Puff for being in that position. Straight hate.

 

[KFBF]

Even hotter take: jay-z laid the groundwork for the drill rapper prototype

And I use to be a huge jigga fan (still fukk with his music heavy).

you're going to need to show your work on this one

 

[Art Barr]

This right here.

Puff was sampling popular loops and promoting a flashy aesthetic. That's not against any code in Hip Hop. Hip Hop was built on that! That was just his lane and how he chose to make his own sh*t.

Hammer was doing wild sh*t that went against what Hip Hop was all about. Dude sold out the minute he saw a lane that would pay. Bro turned shuckin' and jivin' into millions.

Jiggy was never allowed. If so,...
When was jiggy-ism allowed.
past old school way of thought dj hollywood.
in the new school way of thought?

Notice i said allowed in hiphop culture.

As you been disengenuine to hiphop culture in this thread cape'n for puff.

Which is totally out of order and bogus.
To try yo use the roots corn ball sellout ass to try to justify this shyt. As no one was jealous of puff and souled out culturally.
when given a chance was okay olayer.

Okay player is not all of hiphop culture.
They were toys and badu exposed this shyt when she dissed the collective. That people seem to forget as well as thsir cultural way.

chu tweak'n.

just cause you cape'n to hide yourbhands from .aking tsboo jiggy sslloit records as an a&r. Is disengemuine and bogus.
to hiphop culture then and now.

Art Barr

 

[JustCKing]

Tbf tho I’m 99.9% sure that Will was just riding Puff’s wave

Nah. Will was part of an bigger picture: the "jiggy era". He even made a song called "Gettin Jiggy With It". His album was titled "Big Willy Style" which lent itself to willies, ballers, and macks and the glorification of the excess. Will Smith 's album was bigger than No Way Out and Life After Death.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

lil wayne destroyed rap

Watch them hop over this tho.

 

[tuckgod]

These tethers and new nikkas won’t have a clue what you’re talking about, but the actual hip hop community was saying this way back in the 90s at the height of Bad Boy.

 

[tuckgod]

Watch them hop over this tho.

What is there to hop over?

It’s nonsense.

In 96 hip hop split into mainstream versus underground due to the Bad Boy commercialization of the culture.

This allowed Southern acts like No Limit and Cash Money to gain traction as hip hop fans outside of the Northeast were looking to any alternative to that bullshyt.

Lil Wayne is a byproduct of that.

 

[Wild self]

Diddy's responsible for the demise of hip hop probably more than any one person, yes.

Puffy is 1B in the demise of Hip Hop.

Eazy E was 1A of it. Promoting black men to be superthugs and denounced black power and anything of uplifting value is NASTY WORK. "Real nikka" paradigm is mental slavery.

 

[King Poetic]

These dudes are too young but hiphop took it's biggest dive in quality the more popular Diddy got. Once popular samples and rnb hooks became accepted thanks to puffy, shyt was never the same.

Bingo

All that r&b mix with hip hop and sampling came along the art of hip hop was going down

EPMD said it right keep the crossover