Hot Take: Diddy ruined Hip-Hop worse than Gangster rap and Drill did

[Awesome Wells]

Oh Puff definitely got dissed back then. Biggest difference between him and Hammer tho is that he was putting out dope music


Plus Hammer felt the pressure and tried to switch it up. Puff didn’t give af and kept doing him

This right here.

Puff was sampling popular loops and promoting a flashy aesthetic. That's not against any code in Hip Hop. Hip Hop was built on that! That was just his lane and how he chose to make his own sh*t.

Hammer was doing wild sh*t that went against what Hip Hop was all about. Dude sold out the minute he saw a lane that would pay. Bro turned shuckin' and jivin' into millions.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

This right here.

Puff was sampling popular loops and promoting a flashy aesthetic. That's not against any code in Hip Hop. Hip Hop was built on that! That was just his lane and how he chose to make his own sh*t.

Hammer was doing wild sh*t that went against what Hip Hop was all about. Dude sold out the minute he saw a lane that would pay. Bro turned shuckin' and jivin' into millions.

Cmon breh. Diddy was doing the same shyt yall complain about when today's rappers sample

No flip or unique twist. Just copy and paste. Completely different from sampling a break or vocal stab. Taking whole elements of the song and basically just throwing a verse over it has never been respected

Hammer was wack too. But an easy one to point the finger at. Diddy made his selling out look aspirational. He refined it down to a science by that time. He's a good marketer. I gotta give him that at the least. Cause it's still working till this day as evidenced by the forum

 

[Awesome Wells]

Cmon breh. Diddy was doing the same shyt yall complain about when today's rappers sample

No flip or unique twist. Just copy and paste. Completely different from sampling a break or vocal stab. Taking whole elements of the song and basically just throwing a verse over it has never been respected

Hammer was wack too. But an easy one to point the finger at. Diddy made his selling out look aspirational. He refined it down to a science by that time. He's a good marketer. I gotta give him that at the least. Cause it's still working till this day as evidenced by the forum

Sampling sh*t wasn't ruining anything in Hip Hop.

That's for HIS OWN music. That doesn't have anything to do with what other people were doing. DITC, Large Professor, Pete Rock, Dilla, Tip, RZA, Premier, Nottz, Shawn J. Period, and mad other people were still diggin' deeper for obscure sh*t. But Erick Sermon and other dudes might've been using a lot of more known joints for their beats. The rule was, as long as the joint was dope, use whatever.

So there was nothing that Puff was doing for the Bad Boy roster that should've mattered outside of that. That was HIS lane. Everybody had their own back then. That's why it was the last of the Golden Era.

 

[Mac Ten]

Diddy had great marketing skills..


He made a ugly, dark skinned boy with a lazy eye into a sex symbol in Hip Hop. That baggy lifestyle was starting to play out by 96.

Diddy having nikkas wear those suits was no different than David Stern banning baggy pants and shirts at the games.


Looking back it’s kinda of diabolical that Diddy was consoling the world with his shiny suit Ballads while being a major participant in the deaths of not one but two rappers.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

He helped push the glorification of capitalism in rap.

 

[Mac Ten]

These dudes are too young but hiphop took it's biggest dive in quality the more popular Diddy got. Once popular samples and rnb hooks became accepted thanks to puffy, shyt was never the same.

Diddy walked so Cash Money can run…


They took it more overboard with the covers and outlandish demands and request.


A stretch PT Cruiser
Alligator seats that’ll bit your butt
A Platinum Football field

 

[Art Barr]

Nah, it was actually this guy.

Hammer was ushered out of the culture. Whereas what puff did.
Was destroy the protection mechanisms The same protection mechanisms used to usher out hammer.



Art Barr

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Sampling sh*t wasn't ruining anything in Hip Hop.

That's for HIS OWN music. That doesn't have anything to do with what other people were doing. DITC, Large Professor, Pete Rock, Dilla, Tip, RZA, Premier, Nottz, Shawn J. Period, and mad other people were still diggin' deeper for obscure sh*t. But Erick Sermon and other dudes might've been using a lot of more known joints for their beats. The rule was, as long as the joint was dope, use whatever.

So there was nothing that Puff was doing for the Bad Boy roster that should've mattered outside of that. That was HIS lane. Everybody had their own back then. That's why it was the last of the Golden Era.

If everybody's chasing a hit, it kinda does ruin it for Hip hop

Either starve in the underground or Hop on the shiny suit wave

Even the camel had to take a bite out

You say it should be have mattered but it unquestionably did. It was one of the biggest sounds commercially at the time. What else was really moving numbers on the east coast besides bad boy?

I can only think of mos def with and without Talib

Even post shiny suit era, NY rap never hit the same peak where the mainstream was as technically proficient and innovative as it was in the golden era

 

[BmoreGorilla]

If everybody's chasing a hit, it kinda does ruin it for Hip hop

Either starve in the underground or Hop on the shiny suit wave

Even the camel had to take a bite out

You say it should be have mattered but it unquestionably did. It was one of the biggest sounds commercially at the time. What else was really moving numbers on the east coast besides bad boy?

I can only think of mos def with and without Talib

Even post shiny suit era, NY rap never hit the same peak where the mainstream was as technically proficient and innovative as it was in the golden era

Quite a few east coast acts had their best selling albums during that time. Nas, Mobb Deep, Redman, Busta Rhymes the Roots immediately come to mind. All were going plat for the first time. Then you had new acts like DMX and Big Pun. Meth was being pushed as the dude who had next. Canibus was buzzing heavy

And speaking of Busta he was the first one to have those high budget Hype Williams videos

 

[FlyRy]

lil wayne destroyed rap

 

[Yehuda]

corny indian beats era

 

[Awesome Wells]

If everybody's chasing a hit, it kinda does ruin it for Hip hop

Either starve in the underground or Hop on the shiny suit wave

Even the camel had to take a bite out

You say it should be have mattered but it unquestionably did. It was one of the biggest sounds commercially at the time. What else was really moving numbers on the east coast besides bad boy?

I can only think of mos def with and without Talib

Even post shiny suit era, NY rap never hit the same peak where the mainstream was as technically proficient and innovative as it was in the golden era

But that's on those artists though. Biting was a sin in this. Nobody should be copying.

If you choose to bite someone else's style and try to hop in a lane that ain't yours, you can't be on some "I wouldn't be doing this, if that dude wasn't so successful with it, and made me feel I should do the same sh*t. He's ruining Hip Hop for all of us." HAHA!!

In '98, all of Def Jam was selling platinum, doing street sh*t, including Redman. So was Pun. There was a lot of music being made on the East Coast that was the opposite of what Bad Boy was doing, that sold mad records.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Quite a few east coast acts had their best selling albums during that time. Nas, Mobb Deep, Redman, Busta Rhymes the Roots immediately come to mind. All were going plat for the first time. Then you had new acts like DMX and Big Pun. Meth was being pushed as the dude who had next. Canibus was buzzing heavy

And speaking of Busta he was the first one to have those high budget Hype Williams videos

Fair enough

Nikkas was still selling. Not making the same numbers as bad boy but still at least getting a Plat

Though we could argue that was only cause they were already established and had hype from their earlier work despite some of them being in the decline musically

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Fair enough

Nikkas was still selling. Not making the same numbers as bad boy but still at least getting a Plat

Though we could argue that was only cause they were already established and had hype from their earlier work despite some of them being in the decline musically

Will Smith outsold all of them which I guess isn’t a good example with a single called Getting Jiggy With It

 

[BmoreGorilla]

But that's on those artists though. Biting was a sin in this. Nobody should be copying.

If you choose to bite someone else's style and try to hop in a lane that ain't yours, you can't be on some "I wouldn't be doing this, if that dude wasn't so successful with it, and made me feel I should do the same sh*t. He's ruining Hip Hop for all of us." HAHA!!

In '98, all of Def Jam was selling platinum, doing street sh*t, including Redman. So was Pun. There was a lot of music being made on the East Coast that was the opposite of what Bad Boy was doing, that sold mad records.

I hate that term shiny suit era becuz that era was so much more than what Bad Boy was doing at the time. And they actually got a lot of hate for it. shyt breh Wu Tang dropped Forever the same year as No Way Out and it was one of the biggest albums of the year