Tupac did that 
Hot Take: Diddy ruined Hip-Hop worse than Gangster rap and Drill did
- Thread starter RedEye Jedi
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Right.I don’t like Diddy at all and honestly hope he rots and dies in that bytch
But we not bout to lie and act like his contribution to hip hop was either not that important or had a negative effects on the game. Bro took hip hop to another level globally and it was mostly quality feel good music and outside Mase and BIG he most known for his rnb acts
Diddy’s SOUND in music is better than arguably every rival movement in R&B and arguably Hip-Hop
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
I don’t like Diddy at all and honestly hope he rots and dies in that bytch
But we not bout to lie and act like his contribution to hip hop was either not that important or had a negative effects on the game. Bro took hip hop to another level globally and it was mostly quality feel good music and outside Mase and BIG he most known for his rnb acts
All this right here.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
You said give you 5 songs that he was responsible for, that was some of the best music ever.
I gave you an entire album. Nobody cares about "jiggy" sh*t. Dude was behind a ridiculous amount of classic music.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
@RedEye Jedi
You trying to double back and make this cultural play. To talk hiphop.
All because you been sellout c00n'n as @Order 66.
When no one is fooled that knows stsr wars. For you to come back.
as another sith lord spin off name.
This is just as bad as plankton. Trying to conflate sellout toy rappers and rnb.
as a aprt of hiphop culture in this thread.
Art Barr
You trying to double back and make this cultural play. To talk hiphop.
All because you been sellout c00n'n as @Order 66.
When no one is fooled that knows stsr wars. For you to come back.
as another sith lord spin off name.
This is just as bad as plankton. Trying to conflate sellout toy rappers and rnb.
as a aprt of hiphop culture in this thread.
Art Barr
I make one thread tryna call out The Coli for going hard against a man who dares to think differently and suddenly I'm the enemy?
I get yall need a heel, but I've seen him get death threats. That's not too far?
BK The Great
Veteran
The day songs like The Message stopped being popular and the murder raps and stupid shyt became popular was the commercialization of the art form.
Bondye Vodou
Proud practitioner of the "High Science"
Who started to mix conscious raps with gangster raps?
Who's responsible for subjugating conscious raps in favour of gangster rap?
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
Puff/Biggy did put a dent into the artistic side of MAINSTREAM HIPHOP with all that glossy flossy player shiny suit nonsense. Jayz's "Im a businessman not a rapper" was an extention of that which would pave the way for the likes of Cash Money. The downside of the shny suit era was more because of subject matter than it was the music. HipHop is based on R&B/Funk/Disco...which makes it impossible to fault/sh1t on BadBoy/Puff for sampling, said records.
Plankton
Superstar
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made a lot of money & made a lot of classic records*
he elevated the music and anyone saying the opposite is a
"jealous motherfukker, If you a jealous motherfukker, you just a weak motherfukker!
See when you on top, motherfukkers just wanna bring you down!
Motherfukkers don't even know you, and they don't like you"
"jealous motherfukker, If you a jealous motherfukker, you just a weak motherfukker!
See when you on top, motherfukkers just wanna bring you down!
Motherfukkers don't even know you, and they don't like you"
god shamgod
Veteran
Nwa ruined hip hop
That’s definitely not true. If anything Southern ATL rap was the predecessor to ringtone and mumble rap.
Westbama Heartthrob
Irregular Zero
Cac babbleIf he's so correct how come you never once explained how he ruined Hip Hop worse then gangster rap. The same gangster rap that help spread the disease of promoting the gang culture that Hip Hop is currently in. How the fukk is dancing around in music videos bragging about being rich while being surrounded by attractive women worse then influencing generations to gang bang and kill other Black people and engaging in activities that can put a Black person in prison for years? Explain.
P Diddy was the leading cause of the commercialization of Hip hop. Rap came from the streets. For better or worse, the crime element has been there since the beginning.
It's not even exclusive to rap. All the music labels have ties to organized crime.
We're talking aviyt the music itself being cut away from its anti establishment roots. Hip hop started out as counterculture.
Look at the four elements. Graffiti is a crime. Sampling without permission is a crime. Remember the block parties Hip hop originated from. You think everybody was getting permits for those? No, so it was a crime
The whole point was creative expression without letting the law get in the way. So once the suits got involved, the culture got cleaned up to be marketable to a wider audience. This process didn't start with puff, but the landscape of the genre post pac and biggie murders provided the opportunity for puff to change the direction the music was headed
It's a lot more factors that played a part, but Diddy shares a lot of the blame. The shiny suit era pretty much put the east coast on hospice until they finally lost their grip on the culture post 50 cent and g unit. Falling into the underground full of talented rappera but not fresh talent we see today. nikkas like Billy woods who have been in the game for decades but are the only prominent lyricists from NY. Whereas the younger rappers bite from other regions and lack the same lyrical skill as golden age acts
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