Houston started the souths takeover for hip hop and no one recognizes it

[Pit Bull]

Ignore No Limit, Cashmoney, and the Crunk movement, brehs

 

[Art Barr]

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Man we know who in CCC (apparently you don't bc/ it was more than just Paul Wall and Cham in CCC)but you said they released a classic project in 96 and you still haven't answered the question as to what classic they released. As a matter of fact them nikkas aint start releasing music like that until 01-02. In 96 Screw ran Houston and the underground scene in most of The South. 3 In Da Mornin Pt2 dropped in 96 right before the Kappa and everyone in the South was playing that shyt and was KeKe break out year (Pimpin The Pen was everywhere and cats were reciting that shyt line for line). Bottom line you have no idea what you talking about when it comes to Texas/Houston music and it's influence. Southern segregation point from The West? nikka be quiet.

So what album did the source praise, sir.

After that, nikka. The west coast and east was all there was nationally as far as original regions. There was no Midwest. No southern region.
As also g rap featured all the west coast gangsta rap greats and out rhymed them on two to the head.
that included scarface who was regarded as a west coast emcee then.
Also Houston was just like fukk baseball back then.
It was considered west coast period.
Later on, they let it be known after other southern groups had impact on platinum level consistently.

Next, i have posted it previously before.
Yet since you came in here talkin so much bullshyt.
I just posted the wiki and felt like it would be someone who could elaborate on the exact release of ccc. As someone previously years ago had to say ccc had a classics in the source.
During the years the source was boycotted after the wcc incident.
Which was 1993.

Next it ain't ALWAYS up to me to dig in the crate for nikkaz.

Yet I know where chamillionaire comes from, from juice and frank Thomas.
So I don't have to be an expert on him before that, nikka.
So please elaborate.
Why don't you post the shyt, allegedly awarded five mics in the source.
With the release date as real talk culturally, you know how they were regarded as well.
So please elaborate on that too.

What'chu waiting on me for nikka.
.
Which is why I scaled back being the person who always posts all the content like I used to.

Here is ya chance, big shot.

Get to rant'n...


Art Barr

 

[Pit Bull]

Luda, ti, jeezy, lil john, scrappy, crime mob, dem franchize boyz, joc, d4l, ... I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

Ignore them too, brehs

Thought this was gonna be a early 90s rap a lot thread ... There's zero case to be made for the OP's premise...That Houston run came in a post Duegon Family, post No Limit/Cash Money, post Crunk era world...And was contemporaneous with the beginning of the trap movement...labels were late tapping into that Houston scene and finally did do trying to capitalize on and recreate the regional gone national success that new Orleans and ATL already had

This is revisionist history like a muhfukka

These nikkas like 12 years oldat least I hope

 

[Art Barr]

out the south I would put scarface with all the legends top 10 the most consistent south rapper on some real shyt.

Big mike was more skilled tho.
Plus not given his credit in gangsta rap and as a double time pioneer for that time too.



Art Barr

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Man we know who in CCC (apparently you don't bc/ it was more than just Paul Wall and Cham in CCC)but you said they released a classic project in 96 and you still haven't answered the question as to what classic they released. As a matter of fact them nikkas aint start releasing music like that until 01-02. In 96 Screw ran Houston and the underground scene in most of The South. 3 In Da Mornin Pt2 dropped in 96 right before the Kappa and everyone in the South was playing that shyt and was KeKe break out year (Pimpin The Pen was everywhere and cats were reciting that shyt line for line). Bottom line you have no idea what you talking about when it comes to Texas/Houston music and it's influence. Southern segregation point from The West? nikka be quiet.

Edit: As a mattter of fact that was the same year Screw dropped Leanin On A Switch, Plots and Schemes, and June 27th for Christ sake.
CCC dropping a classic in 96...

Plus, CCC may have formed in 96, but they weren't on the radar at all locally as a crew until 2002, even though Paul Wall and Cham were getting noticed before then

 

[Monoblock]

So what album did the source praise, sir.

After that, nikka. The west coast and east was all there was nationally as far as original regions. There was no Midwest. No southern region.
As also g rap featured all the west coast gangsta rap greats and out rhymed them on two to the head.
that included scarface who was regarded as a west coast emcee then.
Also Houston was just like fukk baseball back then.
It was considered west coast period.
Later on, they let it be known after other southern groups had impact on platinum level consistently.

Next, i have posted it previously before.
Yet since you came in here talkin so much bullshyt.
I just posted the wiki and felt like it would be someone who could elaborate on the exact release of ccc. As someone previously years ago had to say ccc had a classics in the source.
During the years the source was boycotted after the wcc incident.
Which was 1993.

Next it ain't ALWAYS up to me to dig in the crate for nikkaz.

Why don't you post the shyt, allegedly awarded five mics in the source.
With the release date as real talk culturally, you know how they were regarded as well.
So please elaborate on that too.

What'chu waiting on me for nikka.
.
Which is why I scaled back being the person who always posts all the content like I used to.

Here is ya chance, big shot.

Get to rant'n...


Art Barr

And you still haven't answered the question. I'll leave you to do all the ranting and if you didn't know what you were talking about you could have simply STFU or asked for someone to clarify instead of posting shyt like its fact. You fukked up I checked you for clearly not knowing what you talking about now you want me to clear up your wrong dates and classic CCC album in 96 that doesn't even exist. The problem is you weren't apart of what was going on down here and since you can't look it up online you frustrated for getting clowned and want me to give you answers. Bottom line be quiet and sit down b/c you clearly wrong. Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend.

 

[Art Barr]

And you still haven't answered the question. I'll leave you to do all the ranting and if you didn't know what you were talking about you could have simply STFU or asked for someone to clarify instead of posting shyt like its fact. You fukked up I checked you for clearly not knowing what you talking about now you want me to clear up your wrong dates and classic CCC album in 96 that doesn't even exist. The problem is you weren't apart of what was going on down here and since you can't look it up online you frustrated for getting clowned and want me to give you answers. Bottom line be quiet and sit down b/c you clearly wrong. Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend.

This ho ass headfake like you dropping knowledge and ain't dropped not one fact to dispute what i said.
I never said I was apart of the screw movement.
I said where i know of your movement and how i became aware.
Next,...the south was not originally the south at all.
It was logged into the west coast because of the overal content it generally had artist wise being away from the Mecca.

Just like you skimmed over this.
You self equated and skimmed over the fact the south was not always regarded as the south.
So, for you not to acknowledge it means you were not cognitively aware in general of how your region was regarded

The whole idea that the south was always known as the south jn a hiphop or rap context was established after being logged into the west coast period.

That is a fact.
I also stated how i know of ccc.
Which was from chamil with ju and frank Thomas.
Whereas that happened in 98-99.
Where he already had a classic by that time i became aware of him.
So please mr know it all,...since you know so much.
Tell us the record the source supposedly in their dark ages rated as a classic.
What you won't do is try to rewrite history from your own 's self equation. That the south was always known as the south.
When it was not, it was considered part of the west coast because of general content.
Plus, how it deviated from the cowboy edict of the Mecca and why it was considered originally apart of the west coast originally.

Art Barr

 

[Monoblock]

I never said I was apart of the screw movement.
I said where i know of your movement and how i became aware.
Next,...the south was not originally the south at all.
It was logged into the west coast because of the overal content it generally had artist wise being away from the Mecca.

Just like you skimmed over this.
You self equated and skimmed over the fact the south was not always regarded as the south.
So, for you not to acknowledge it means you were not cognitively aware in general of how your region was regarded

The whole idea that the south was always known as the south jn a hiphop or rap context was established after being logged into the west coast period.

That is a fact.
I also stated how i know of ccc.
Which was from chamil with ju and frank Thomas.
Whereas that happened in 98-99.
Where he already had a classic by that time i became aware of him.
So please mr know it all,...since you know so much.
Tell us the record the source supposedly in their dark ages rated as a classic.
What you won't do is try to rewrite history from your own 's self equation. That the south was always known as the south.
When it was not, it was considered part of the west coast because of general content.
Plus, how it deviated from the cowboy edict of the Mecca and why it was apart of the west coast originally.

Art Barr

When did I try to rewrite some shyt? You the one claiming a classic CCC albums dropped in 96 when there wasn't one. I'm not talking about the West or The Source. Stop trying to swerve the convo into that lane and asking me to prove some shyt for the record books. It aint up to me to try and drop knowledge about the era at the time I'm referring to (95-02). nikkas on here know I been reppin my city since .and know what I'm saying is fact. The whole West/South relationship is a whole nutha convo to be had. I'll just say that we did in fact get influenced from the West and borrowed a lot of their production style earlier on (Ant Banks was Screw favorite artist) but we pretty much came from the same background when it comes to the car culture, weather, weed, beaches, BBQs, music, and women. I mean shyt I have a gang of cousins from the West and South it's only natural that nikkas in music did the same thing back then and gravitated towards each others music but don't make it seem like we didnt have our own identity even in the early 90s especially in Houston (Gangsta Nip, SPC, Street Military, Odd Squad, K-Rino, 20-2 Life, Big Mello. I'm not even gonna get into the early UGK, Scarface, Big Mike, shyt that sounded nothing like West Coast music). The South didnt have the commercial appeal that the West had but every region had its own distinct sound and to say that we were considered part of The West is inaccurate. We were shunned by the industry just like the West and put into the same pool and even collaborated with one another. The West always seemed bothered by it but nikkas in The South could care less. We always made our money and never expected recognition from major publications or TV. Southwest Wholesale kept the South and West making money without majors. Like I said earlier in this thread the industry always came to to Southern artist trying to make deals b/c of the money we made without em for years.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Southwest Wholesale

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

 

[keond]

Houstons reign was short as fukk in retrospect. If we really wanna get deep with it. Miami and Memphis kicked it off in the mid to late 80s, New Orleans and ATL rode the wave. New Orleans dominated in late 90s to early 2000s and ATL in the early to mid 2000s

 

[NvrCMyNut]

You mean New Orleans. Nobody was looking at the south as a movement until NL/Cash money

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You mean New Orleans. Nobody was looking at the south as a movement until NL/Cash money

this is quite true

 

[Yehuda]

If we gonna keep it a buck the Geto Boys were the first act from the South that got big and earned respect. UGK (tho not quite from Houston) didn't get as big as the Geto Boys were just as influential. Everything else we heard from the South at the time was that bass music

I thought this thread was going to be about Rap-A-Lot.

 

[JetFueledThoughts]

atlanta wave died tho...ti n luda was the only ones left..

majors saw the hustle of ..slim n swishahouse..n cham

if these nikkas doin this ...on there on...flip was doin it...n slim himself...got better shyt than flip...flip burberrying a jag...slim payin cash for bentleys..somethin up in that damn nawf...we gotta look

If you remember it like this that's cool but this don't make no damn sense.

When swishahouse really started to pop in '04 one of the hottest records in the country was with 3 atlanta artists on it with Usher, Luda and Lil Jon. It'd be really hard to pick out a period of time where Atlanta's wave died.

Houston was definitely forefront on the national stage for a couple years but atlanta was poppin before those years, during those years and after. Outkast was 2 years off Stankonia in '03 dropped their double album that went fukking Diamond, and you're tryna say that atlanta didn't really pop until Houston did in '04...

Not to mention 06 was undeniably TI's year once he dropped KING in the Spring. And Jeezy dropped TM 101 the summer of '05 and that took off all winter... So I'm tryin to find this period you were talking about where the wave died... if we're talkin 90s that's a whole different discussion but that doesn't seem to be what the thread is about.