How can there be a divine plan and free will at the same time?

[hayesc0]

To play devils advocate, who said they're innocent lives? For all we know they could have done terrible things in the past life.

But to argue my point that wasn't planned, people who derailed from the plan of the divine negatively impacted these children's lives. That wasn't planned for them. The divine can only do so much, which is why I'd tell you not to hold your breath if you're praying all the time.

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

You can't argue it ffs

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

No kinda sense.

 

[hayesc0]

No kinda sense.

 

[joeychizzle]

I didn't mean it like that. Sorry I thought I made my point obvious about contradictions. The US says that every man is equal but had slaves.

God didn't favor the slave owners. Its freewill. Its not gods fault that one section of his people decided to harm another.

It is God's fault. At least the Christian God.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
dude was legit letting black people be slaves and did nothing about it.
So he's either:
1. able to help but unwilling, making him evil.
2. willing to help but unable, making him useless.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Well, think of it this way. God is omnipotent, omniscient & all-knowing meaning he is aware of anything that happened in the past, is happening now or will happen in the future. So God knows already what we happen in someone's life but it doesn't mean we don't have free will to do "right" or "wrong", rather God's "plan" is him knowing of everything that will happens in one's lifetime.

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

It is God's fault. At least the Christian God.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
dude was legit letting black people be slaves and did nothing about it.
So he's either:
1. able to help but unwilling, making him evil.
2. willing to help but unable, making him useless.

I mean, I gave my opinion on the subject and you want to pinpoint slavery and then include Christianity and then quote a piece of the bible that is supposed to be the voice of god

Look, theres a blessing in every curse, although its hard for you to imagine that, but to say our supreme force that blossomed our existences is useless while you exercise your ability of consciousness to say this is stupid.

 

[hayesc0]

Well, think of it this way. God is omnipotent, omniscient & all-knowing meaning he is aware of anything that happened in the past, is happening now or will happen in the future. So God knows already what we happen in someone's life but it doesn't mean we don't have free will to do "right" or "wrong", rather God's "plan" is him knowing of everything that will happens in one's lifetime.

Im not trying to pick on you but this seriously sounds like double talk.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Im not trying to pick on you but this seriously sounds like double talk.

It does seem contradicting but we're talking about God here

 

[joeychizzle]

I mean, I gave my opinion on the subject and you want to pinpoint slavery and then include Christianity and then quote a piece of the bible that is supposed to be the voice of god

Look, theres a blessing in every curse, although its hard for you to imagine that, but to say our supreme force that blossomed our existences is useless while you exercise your ability of consciousness to say this is stupid.

See, you're talking from the perspective that god must be real, and for me to think there isn't one is stupid.
I invite you to see things from a point of view that is free of god. Free of constant monitoring. Free of fear of punishment. Taking responsibilities without putting it on either god or the devil.

We're all born atheists. It's whichever family you were born into that brainwashes you from a young age.

 

[the cac mamba]

To play devils advocate, who said they're innocent lives? For all we know they could have done terrible things in the past life.
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[hayesc0]

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

See, you're talking from the perspective that god must be real, and for me to think there isn't one is stupid.
I invite you to see things from a point of view that is free of god. Free of constant monitoring. Free of fear of punishment. Taking responsibilities without putting it on either god or the devil.

We're all born atheists. It's whichever family you were born into that brainwashes you from a young age.

You'll never be free of any of these because the government has its foot on our throats.

 

[Broke Wave]

I think this makes more sense when we begin to understand that there are alternate universes being created with every possibile otcome and that observation actually has an impact on probability. You're living and dead at the same time in a different place in the universe in the sense that, if you had the ability to see earth from varying distances and places, you would be able to see the past as it unfolds and the present. Couple that with the infinite size of the universe and you could possibly see things as the are were and will be indefinately. Just my ramblings.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

There is no plan...
(1) An almighty entity would not require a plan...Plans are for humans and other low level animals...If God is almighty, then that means it has all the resources in the universe to accomplish whatever it wants to accomplish...All it has to do is will something to make it come to fruition...

(2) If God has a plan, then God is not almighty...Humans plan because they live in doubt...We are not certain of our actions and their consequences...Therefore, we have to strategize...Why would God need to do this if it knows exactly how every piece moves?

(3) If you read the Bible then you should already know the Abrahamic God is a TERRIBLE planner...He creates paradise but then leaves a poisonous tree and evil spirit in it, knowing fully well that they would ruin his creation...

When paradise is ruined, his best solution to restore his creation is to send a flood that kills everybody except Noah and his family, and that fails...Because they reproduce more evil...

He punishes humans for creating a skyscrapper, by make it more difficult for them to communicate with eachother, as result, we have racism, ethnocentrism, poor interpersonal communication which only lead to more famine, war and misery for the majority of people living on Earth...Surely an Almighty Entity could have thought a better a solution...

His solution for homosexuality was to burn down an entire civilization, and yet homosexuality is still rampant to this day...

Then sends his only begotten son to die on a cross....Yet, things are even worse on Earth...Wars are more brutal...Nobody really believes in Jesus...So, dude died for nothing...

I follow my own plan, because, if the Bible is to be believed, then God's plans only lead to war, destruction and death...God's idea of making things better is to kill and destroy...