How can you securely hate on Jay-Z's come up though?

[Ohene]

Its not just that hes not dropping classics. TBA was a great album even though IMO it wasn't a classic. Nowadays his music is BAD. Like Raekwon might not be dropping OB4CL level work, but he still makes shyt worth listening to. Every album he dropped since TBA has been in the bottom half of his catalog, with KC, BP3 and MCHG being damn near if not THE WORST albums he's dropped thus far. The shyt is unlistenable. Nobody talks about BP3 or KC outside of how bad they are. And this nikka used to be one of the best in the game. Its strange to me. U claim to be impartial but u seem eager to play Jay defense.

I hear you but it's subjective. Truth be told...I cant tell whether or not MCHG is bad because pretty much every major label rap album (so no mixtapes or independent albums) in the last two years hasnt been shyt to me. I havent been able to bump an album for long since Saigon's The Greatest Story and Kanye's MBDTF. LongLIveAsap got the most burn amongst all the albums this year I guess but even GKMC...i dont dig it like that. Even when I do like an album, it seems that one or two weeks later I have no interest in listening to it (Life is Good is an example of this). Thus, when I heard this new Jay album I cant tell whether its just trash or I'm bored with rap. I think MCHG was an actually pretty good, balanced album though and I'd be lying if I said i wasnt bumping Blueprint 3 (along with V5, Before I Self Destruct and Man on the Moon ) hard during my freshman year of university. So maybe I'm a stan because I dont see how the albums sucked. I think OB4CL2 came out that year and it got no play after a week.

shyt Watch the Throne is a 9/10 album to me, and I think we can all agree American Gangster was pretty damn good. So whats the issue?

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

when you subtract the childhood idolization of alot of athletes and rappers... you'll find that they are flat out awful people...who were good at sports and putting words together.

 

[DANJ!]

nikkas will listen to rapper XYZ rap about the money and possessions he has day in and day out and never have any problem with it... but when Jay-Z says it, in INFURIATES muhfukkas. And the only reason I can deduct, like Dame Dash said, is because muhfukkas know it's true when he says it. If I'm gonna get mad in 2013 about Jay-Z's money and him mentioning it in songs, then I gotta get mad at his whole career. I mean, damn near his ENTIRE existence as a recording artist. Even back in '94 when he was talkin' about bein so worn out from countin' his money that he bought a money machine that goes "ddddddat-dig-dig-dig-dig-DOUGH!" Man, I saw this nikka perform in a small ass club that holds 250 people MAX and now he does stadium tours- it's respectable to see that kinda rise to that level from anyone. Muhfukkas act like he didn't deserve it, but the credentials are there. You can't deny that he came up thru the ranks- he didn't have shyt handed to him by any means.

I respect the man as a rapper that went from rhymin' at hole-in-the-wall spots, rappin' on mixtapes, making appearances on records nobody gave a shyt about, makin' videos independently that only got played on Rap City twice a week or so... and became an icon in the rap game and became able to make huge business deals and do things that muhfukkas usually wouldn't expect a rapper to accomplish. Not likin' his music is a matter of choice, but to have the level of disdain that some people have for him because of the things he's done... shyt's just loser logic. Some nikkas wanna be so pro-Black nshyt, but they're just as bad as racist white people cause they got one thing in common- they hate to see a nikka accomplish things usually reserved for rich whites.

And some people will say he's a snake because he didn't carry nikkas on his back or continue to deal with people who had become detrimental, but some of the same people who'll say that ain't ever been in such a position to make such decisions. I've had real convos with people about that, and all I'm sayin' is- there's no way you can convince a grown jailbird that Jay's refusal to babysit another grown jailbird was right. I would imagine that this dude probably has a hundred thousand muhfukkas claiming he owes them something... doesn't mean he necessarily does. It just seems to me sometimes that if a nikka from Marcy pops up talkin' bout "I let that nikka borrow my pencil in 7th grade- what about me?", there's somebody out there who'll sympathize with that. And that type of shyt just comes off as something way past dislike- that's legitimate hatin'. No way around it.

 

[Ohene]

As for being impartial I am. Birdman, Ludacris, Puff Daddy, 50 Cent any of these dudes I'll because I respect the hustle.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I hear you but it's subjective. Truth be told...I cant tell whether or not MCHG is bad because pretty much every major label rap album (so no mixtapes or independent albums) in the last two years hasnt been shyt to me. I havent been able to bump an album for long since Saigon's The Greatest Story and Kanye's MBDTF. LongLIveAsap got the most burn amongst all the albums this year I guess but even GKMC...i dont dig it like that. Even when I do like an album, it seems that one or two weeks later I have no interest in listening to it (Life is Good is an example of this). Thus, when I heard this new Jay album I cant tell whether its just trash or I'm bored with rap. I think MCHG was an actually pretty good, balanced album though and I'd be lying if I said i wasnt bumping Blueprint 3 (along with V5, Before I Self Destruct and Man on the Moon ) hard during my freshman year of university. So maybe I'm a stan because I dont see how the albums sucked. I think OB4CL2 came out that year and it got no play after a week.

shyt Watch the Throne is a 9/10 album to me, and I think we can all agree American Gangster was pretty damn good. So whats the issue?

WTT was good, AG was alright (beats were boring- look for the Beirut Gangster version, woke that shyt the fukk up)

Heres the thing

RD was classic. Vol 1 was damn near classic. Vol 2 was a summer banger. Vol 3 was meh but not terrible. Dynasty was meh but not terrible. BP1 was a classic. TBA was damn near a classic. You see what I'm saying? Jay consistently dropped quality. It might just be a generational thing... if you were 18 in 2009, you were 10 when Jay dropped his last classic. I was into rap heavy at 10 but I can understand if you weren't. But in the context of Jay's work his later stuff is basura and nowhere near the best the game has had to offer. I can't listen to Jay and not hope for or to a degree expect an RD level performance, but being that you were ~3-4 when RD dropped you dont have that context. I dont know which of us is "right", but that is where I am coming from with Jay.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

this thread was meant to serve as a fake exposure of non-jay fans and you all fell for it.
The OP creatively worded his OP very strategically, to kind of shape your answers.

Everyone's answer shouldn't be "because he's a piece of ish, or cuz he's a snake or this or he ruined dipset or he did this or that"
Ya'll answers should be... "We don't hate him or his past, we just think his post-black album material is completely wack, respect to his first few albums"

 

[Ohene]

nikkas will listen to rapper XYZ rap about the money and possessions he has day in and day out and never have any problem with it... but when Jay-Z says it, in INFURIATES muhfukkas. And the only reason I can deduct, like Dame Dash said, is because muhfukkas know it's true when he says it. If I'm gonna get mad in 2013 about Jay-Z's money and him mentioning it in songs, then I gotta get mad at his whole career. I mean, damn near his ENTIRE existence as a recording artist. Even back in '94 when he was talkin' about bein so worn out from countin' his money that he bought a money machine that goes "ddddddat-dig-dig-dig-dig-DOUGH!" Man, I saw this nikka perform in a small ass club that holds 250 people MAX and now he does stadium tours- it's respectable to see that kinda rise to that level from anyone. Muhfukkas act like he didn't deserve it, but the credentials are there. You can't deny that he came up thru the ranks- he didn't have shyt handed to him by any means.

I respect the man as a rapper that went from rhymin' at hole-in-the-wall spots, rappin' on mixtapes, making appearances on records nobody gave a shyt about, makin' videos independently that only got played on Rap City twice a week or so... and became an icon in the rap game and became able to make huge business deals and do things that muhfukkas usually wouldn't expect a rapper to accomplish. Not likin' his music is a matter of choice, but to have the level of disdain that some people have for him because of the things he's done... shyt's just loser logic. Some nikkas wanna be so pro-Black nshyt, but they're just as bad as racist white people cause they got one thing in common- they hate to see a nikka accomplish things usually reserved for rich whites.

And some people will say he's a snake because he didn't carry nikkas on his back or continue to deal with people who had become detrimental, but some of the same people who'll say that ain't ever been in such a position to make such decisions. I've had real convos with people about that, and all I'm sayin' is- there's no way you can convince a grown jailbird that Jay's refusal to babysit another grown jailbird was right. I would imagine that this dude probably has a hundred thousand muhfukkas claiming he owes them something... doesn't mean he necessarily does. It just seems to me sometimes that if a nikka from Marcy pops up talkin' bout "I let that nikka borrow my pencil in 7th grade- what about me?", there's somebody out there who'll sympathize with that. And that type of shyt just comes off as something way past dislike- that's legitimate hatin'. No way around it.

You feel me?! This whole post is what I'm talking about. Very eloquently put.

Yall telling me when this shyt dropped yall was like,




How come all Birdman and Mannie talk about is cars and clothes? Every single cash money millionaires record was shallow and materialistic as fukk. But I'll be damned if my young broke ass didnt love that shyt. Add Bad Boy, No Limit etc etc to the list;

 

[atlbound]

this thread was meant to serve as a fake exposure of non-jay fans and you all fell for it.
The OP creatively worded his OP very strategically, to kind of shape your answers.

Everyone's answer shouldn't be "because he's a piece of ish, or cuz he's a snake or this or he ruined dipset or he did this or that"
Ya'll answers should be... "We don't hate him or his past, we just think his post-black album material is completely wack, respect to his first few albums"

go outside...there is p*ssy out there

 

[Ohene]

this thread was meant to serve as a fake exposure of non-jay fans and you all fell for it.
The OP creatively worded his OP very strategically, to kind of shape your answers.

Everyone's answer shouldn't be "because he's a piece of ish, or cuz he's a snake or this or he ruined dipset or he did this or that"
Ya'll answers should be... "We don't hate him or his past, we just think his post-black album material is completely wack, respect to his first few albums"

Am I wrong though fam? nikkas are talking about everything but the music except for one or two posters

 

[CELL]

Jay Z has done a lot for Hip Hop, if not at least by remaining relevant as a cultural and musical icon and flying the flag.

There's gonna be a huge hole in the genre when he retires or passes. I can't knock the hustle. In business you have to be shrewd to be successful and he's done that always for right or for wrong.

 

[Ohene]

WTT was good, AG was alright (beats were boring- look for the Beirut Gangster version, woke that shyt the fukk up)

Heres the thing

RD was classic. Vol 1 was damn near classic. Vol 2 was a summer banger. Vol 3 was meh but not terrible. Dynasty was meh but not terrible. BP1 was a classic. TBA was damn near a classic. You see what I'm saying? Jay consistently dropped quality. It might just be a generational thing... if you were 18 in 2009, you were 10 when Jay dropped his last classic. I was into rap heavy at 10 but I can understand if you weren't. But in the context of Jay's work his later stuff is basura and nowhere near the best the game has had to offer. I can't listen to Jay and not hope for or to a degree expect an RD level performance, but being that you were ~3-4 when RD dropped you dont have that context. I dont know which of us is "right", but that is where I am coming from with Jay.

I was in to rap heavily at 10 as well fam you're forgetting that I came up in the RapHustle and Napster era where shyt could be found freely. Rappers would have their little BET Top 25 countdowns and here I was listening to Marly Marl's The Symphony or Rakim's Don't Sweat the Technique even. shyt made it real easy. Add older siblings to the equation and there you have it.

Now I discovered Reasonable Doubt when I was 14 so I hear what you're saying cause that shyt made its way into my top 10. There was a point in high school where I was telling folks "Jay-Z this, Jay-Z that...he's the best rapper." I'm talking nikkas are in the cafeteria arguing with ppl my own age about why Lil Wayne (while legendary) is shyt compared to Jay-Z . Nobody was hearing me though. Years later I got folks coming to me mentioning some of Jay-Z's recent, suspect work admitting he's dope. These guys are listening to Blueprint 3 Hov acting like hes INCREDIBLE while i was trying to put them on Reasonable Doubt and Black Album hov. While I inside I cant help but be respect that they at least caught on at some point. The masses at this point for some reason are still fukking with Hov whether we feels he's that nice or not and that says something. The millennial generation is rocking with the tracks of a 40 year old rapper. Can you believe it? If you cant respect the quality of music, at the very least you kinda gotta respect the longevity and the prowess. I dont fukk with Mackelmore at all but I'd be a hater if I didnt respect his grind even. Will he be in my mp3 player or phone? Hell no. But you have to respect the grind. Making hits aint that easy, dont matter who the hell your producer is, who is singing your hook or nothing. Ask Jadakiss, the Clipse and them. Ask FIFTY CENT. He's out here struggling while Jay-Z still strongarming

PS: Volume 2 (Classic),3 and Dynasty > Volume 1. It'ls all subjective famo

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

IIf you cant respect the quality of music, at the very least you kinda gotta respect the longevity and the prowess. I dont fukk with Mackelmore at all but I'd be a hater if I didnt respect his grind even.

No, I dont, and I wish nikkas would stop trying to tell me who or what I "gotta" respect. I acknowledge Jay's reign, but his last 10 years he has been living off of his wealth + celebrity + past glories... in other words, NOT the music he is making today. I don't give a fukk about what arbitrary labels people assign to me for not cosigning their line of thinking... if I'm a "hater" for not putting shyt like fame and wealth over the quality of one's music then I guess I'm a hater. Naw, we have to be objective and also not be afraid to have opinions that others might not agree with.

 

[ajnapoleon]

Jay-Z's a fukking snake, how you gon screw over so many nikkas in your lifetime and still be able to look yourself in the mirror?

he don't give a shyt about black people too

Real talk....who is history have ever got to the top like some of these guys being nice to everybody?.....thats right no one!
if you really look at these guys beef with him they are saying in a nutshell...." Jay did not stop trying to get to the top to help me get there with him" and " he did not go out his way to help me when I need someone to hold my hand while I figure it out even if he helped somewhat but not to my liking its not enough".....If you was him and 13-15 people keep saying those things what would you feel?

 

[ajnapoleon]

nikkas will listen to rapper XYZ rap about the money and possessions he has day in and day out and never have any problem with it... but when Jay-Z says it, in INFURIATES muhfukkas. And the only reason I can deduct, like Dame Dash said, is because muhfukkas know it's true when he says it. If I'm gonna get mad in 2013 about Jay-Z's money and him mentioning it in songs, then I gotta get mad at his whole career. I mean, damn near his ENTIRE existence as a recording artist. Even back in '94 when he was talkin' about bein so worn out from countin' his money that he bought a money machine that goes "ddddddat-dig-dig-dig-dig-DOUGH!" Man, I saw this nikka perform in a small ass club that holds 250 people MAX and now he does stadium tours- it's respectable to see that kinda rise to that level from anyone. Muhfukkas act like he didn't deserve it, but the credentials are there. You can't deny that he came up thru the ranks- he didn't have shyt handed to him by any means.

I respect the man as a rapper that went from rhymin' at hole-in-the-wall spots, rappin' on mixtapes, making appearances on records nobody gave a shyt about, makin' videos independently that only got played on Rap City twice a week or so... and became an icon in the rap game and became able to make huge business deals and do things that muhfukkas usually wouldn't expect a rapper to accomplish. Not likin' his music is a matter of choice, but to have the level of disdain that some people have for him because of the things he's done... shyt's just loser logic. Some nikkas wanna be so pro-Black nshyt, but they're just as bad as racist white people cause they got one thing in common- they hate to see a nikka accomplish things usually reserved for rich whites.

And some people will say he's a snake because he didn't carry nikkas on his back or continue to deal with people who had become detrimental, but some of the same people who'll say that ain't ever been in such a position to make such decisions. I've had real convos with people about that, and all I'm sayin' is- there's no way you can convince a grown jailbird that Jay's refusal to babysit another grown jailbird was right. I would imagine that this dude probably has a hundred thousand muhfukkas claiming he owes them something... doesn't mean he necessarily does. It just seems to me sometimes that if a nikka from Marcy pops up talkin' bout "I let that nikka borrow my pencil in 7th grade- what about me?", there's somebody out there who'll sympathize with that. And that type of shyt just comes off as something way past dislike- that's legitimate hatin'. No way around it.

so damn true

 

[Max Goonberg]

i salute hov but i feel and relate to 50's story (or comeup) more. fif way more raw and had to overcome alot more (in the street and industry) and went farther than any of these moguls in the shortest amount of time all while not sucking dikk.real street boss to real rap boss.(not that losing 92 bricks but no current or oldschool G's can vouch for you bullshyt.) fif was a boss in the hood and this has been confirmed.some of yall will disagree and i understand.for a while now its been trendy to hate on 50 so people tend to downplay his G but anybody who lived through any type of real adversity can admire and learn from his comeup .hov is beloved in rap and rightfully so, but it causes people to overlook alot of holes in his story and fukkboi passive agressive shyt he be on.


respect to hov but fif got the craziest rags to riches story in modern commercial rap my nikka