How come Jay Z didn't get washed up like his peers

[Knicksgarbageforever]

MIt doesn't reaffirm your point. The point is Beyonce alone wasn't enough to launch her career. Her first two singles had features and the song that features Jay was the biggest off that album.

When did I ever say she did it by herself


My first reply to you

How long ago was that though? For the past 10 years or so, Without beyonce,Jay wouldn’t be where he’s at. Not even close. She has done more for him in recent time than he’s done for her. Kelly was made priority because she had a song with the hottest rapper in the game, Nelly that was big(Dilemma) which wasn’t different than Bey working with Jay. Bey had one flop song(work it out) then every song after was a hit. Idk how you can say “beyonce career wasn’t boomin” when she was only solo a few months before her first hit with Jay which was Bonnie and clyde. That was literally only a few months after work it out bombed on the charts. Only one flop song is nothing neither cause it happens. Can’t say her career wasn’t booming off only one flop. Had she released a whole flop album, then jay came and saved the day, then you would be right. Jay was helpful in kicking things off but most of the DiL era was all Bey.

I literally told you Jay helped, but as someone else said, you are overrating Jays help.

You don't have receipts then if you can't find the interview you pulled the supposed quote from.

I literally just posted a quote to you a couple of post ago mentioning this. You shouldn’t be the one taking about “receipts” using a DC guest feauture on a 50 cent mixtape, and Hollywood report to get a point across. Come on now

Beyoncé's relevance to Hip Hop and Rap in general is tied to Jay.

And Beyoncé doesn’t need hip hop the fukk? She could make a whole pop/R&B album and be successful.

Pop success is fleeting.

There is a reason why Beyonce is still standing and all those other Pop stars aren't.

Huh? Pop success is fleeting, but beyonce pop success isn’t.......

Beyonce can drop a record with Jay that will get played all over Hip Hop stations and discussed and dissected in Hip Hop discussions because of Jay and their relationship. Meanwhile, Em does a record with Beyonce and it flops.

No it won’t lmaoo they had a flop album that got outsold by some irrelevant rock band. Only gossip rags dissect what she says. Everybody else doesn’t care

^^^ solidified "Dirt Off Your Shoulders" as iconic from that moment forward.

Obama is friends with Jay and Bey. Hilary Clinton said hot sauce in her bag. Is formation iconic? And didn’t I just say jay had relevance before bey went solo?

Beyonce and Jay have kept each other relevant. Jay had plenty of relevance before marrying her as did she before marrying him. The difference is Jay already had a multiplatinum solo career BEFORE Beyonce.

Literally, did I not just sit here and say this? And the only thing that proves is what? Jay is older and came out before her. Since bey went solo, how many of his albums outsold hers? How big is his name in comparison to hers


She don’t need him nomore, and hasn’t for years.

 

[ryshy]

Because he wasn't afraid to evolve

 

[JustCKing]

I literally told you Jay helped, but as someone else said, you are overrating Jays help.

I am not overrating Jay's help. The song that features him is the biggest song from that album. It is one of Beyoncé's biggest and most iconic songs.

I literally just posted a quote to you a couple of post ago mentioning this. You shouldn’t be the one taking about “receipts” using a DC guest feauture on a 50 cent mixtape, and Hollywood report to get a point across. Come on now

Firstly, that DC feature was 50's lead single from his shelved album Power of a Dollar. Secondly, you're posting a quote from an article you can't find and are trying to pass it off as "receipts".

And Beyoncé doesn’t need hip hop the fukk? She could make a whole pop/R&B album and be successful.

Beyonce does in fact need Hip Hop. Without it, her albums are flops. I'm sure they tried telling Justin Timberlake the same thing. All of his solo albums except the last are Hip Hop heavy complete with rap features. His last was a Country meets Pop fusion with a slight Hip Hop influence and it's his least successful album.

Huh? Pop success is fleeting, but beyonce pop success isn’t.......

Pop success is fleeting because most Pop stars don't have longevity.

No it won’t lmaoo they had a flop album that got outsold by some irrelevant rock band. Only gossip rags dissect what she says. Everybody else doesn’t care

That wasn't the point. Everything Is Love was still a topic in Hip Hop and they had a single that got a lot of play on Hip Hop stations. It fell on deaf ears outside of Hip Hop though.

Obama is friends with Jay and Bey. Hilary Clinton said hot sauce in her bag. Is formation iconic? And didn’t I just say jay had relevance before bey went solo?

Friends or not, when Obama made the gesture, it was a huge moment for Hip Hop. Hillary was nowhere near as popular as Obama and it wasn't even that big of a deal that she said that line.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Cardi B is not her making albums and mini-movies based on her relationship with Offset. Cardi B/Offset are hardly a power couple in the sense that Jay/Beyonce are. Again, it's laughable to even make that comparison.

Magna Carta Holy Grail/Beyonce and Lemonade/4:44 all have themes that revolve around their marriage/marital issues/parenthood.

You're in here admitting she's using the relationship to her advantage and that the relationship is marketable, but it isn't needed?

Most of her fans could live without a Jay feature is a lie. Why? Look at the success of "Drunk In Love". I don't care for Beyonce being on a Jay album because IMO, "Part II" and "Family Feud" are the only ones that need acknowledging.

You goalpost move one mo damn time. Did I say Cardi/Offset had the exact exactly the same situation? No right?. But the key similarity is Cardi has branded her relationship to the public and has a song dedicated to him. Why? Because it benefits her since both are popular. She doesn’t have to do that. She’s bigger than him, her fan base doesn’t necessarily need to hear him in order to like her and he actually brings her down. You keep saying “oh because she do it means she nee” no nikka, just because it’s beneficial doesn’t mean it’s needed. Say it with me: Beneficial doesn’t equal need. Alcohol is beneficial to helping me relieve stress. Do I need alcohol?? No mother fukker there’s other ways to relieve stress Beyonce’s brand is far more protected than Cardi’s and she’s been bigger than Jay far longer. Jay’s brand and image benefits more having her than the other way around. Jay has done nothing but bring beyonce image down in the past couple of years. He’s been the main influence on her music which is why isn’t as good as it once was. Their last album went double plastic and the cheating accusations and choosing to stay with him has put a damper on her image as a strong woman. The controversy of Lemonade was cool but it didn’t resolve into much success. It only sold like 3 million if even that and less. 4 sold more than that album. And stop bullshyting cause the Beehive will tell you themselves they could live without Jay-z. You can go on Lipstickalley right now and make a thread and they will tell you that. Replace him with a future and Drunk in love is just as successful. That song within itself and the “surfboard” meme is what made that song hot and it quickly dropped off billboard 100 just like their recent album did that relationship brings controversy but honestly musically, nothing they do now will top the 2000s.

 

[Knicksgarbageforever]

I am not overrating Jay's help. The song that features him is the biggest song from that album. It is one of Beyoncé's biggest and most iconic songs.

You are overrating his help. Drunk in love is not iconic. She has maybe 2 songs I would consider iconic Crazy in love is the only one That features him.

Firstly, that DC feature was 50's lead single from his shelved album Power of a Dollar.

the album was put on online as a mixtape after it was bootlegged.

Secondly, you're posting a quote from an article you can't find and are trying to pass it off as "receipts".

“Article I can’t find” it was never from a article it was from wiki. It was the video of her saying it I couldn’t find

In 2002, Beyonce appeared in the Austin Powers in Goldmember movie, playing Foxxy Cleopatra. She also released the song ‘Work It Out’ from the soundtrack. Her first official solo recording came in a collaboration with future husband Jay-Z on his ’03 Bonnie & Clyde’ single in October 2002. Her debut solo album, ‘Dangerously In Love’, followed on June 24, 2003, selling 317,000 copies

Read more at Beyonce News & Reviews - NME

Beyonce does in fact need Hip Hop. Without it, her albums are flops. I'm sure they tried telling Justin Timberlake the same thing. All of his solo albums except the last are Hip Hop heavy complete with rap features. His last was a Country meets Pop fusion with a slight Hip Hop influence and it's his least successful album.

Beyoncé, does not in fact need hip hop. Even if she did, she had hip hop related songs separate from Jay such as Say my name, Diva, Soldier, bills bills bilss, Bug a boo, no no no remix etc....and Justin Timberlake is a R&B ARTIST. His last album didn’t have that same flavor which is part in why it flopped. Justin Timberlake forte isn’t rapping.


Cry me a river

Rock your body

Mirrors

Suit & tie

Like I love you

Senerita

My love


Is not JT “rapping” again wtf? Lmaooo. Beyoncé is a R&B artist first and foremost.

Pop success is fleeting because most Pop stars don't have longevity.

But we talking about beyonce, not most pop artists.

That wasn't the point. Everything Is Love was still a topic in Hip Hop and they had a single that got a lot of play on Hip Hop stations. It fell on deaf ears outside of Hip Hop though.

Topic of what? That album flopped and was panned by critics. Even on here nikkas called that album ass. Like I said, you been here long enough to know.

Friends or not, when Obama made the gesture, it was a huge moment for Hip Hop. Hillary was nowhere near as popular as Obama and it wasn't even that big of a deal that she said that line.

“Hilary was nowhere near as popular”

Hillary was popular and married to one of the most notable presidents 15 years before Obama became President. What do you mean “not as popular”? She was married to perhaps the most popular white president in the past 20 years. Do you not know how popular Bill is?

 

[JustCKing]

the album was put on online as a mixtape after it was bootlegged.

It's still a shelved album.

“Article I can’t find” it was never from a article it was from wiki. It was the video of her saying it I couldn’t find

If you can't find it, it's irrelevant and a Wiki article without the citation is just as bas as a video you can't find.

Beyoncé, does not in fact need hip hop. Even if she did, she had hip hop related songs separate from Jay such as Say my name, Diva, Soldier, bills bills bilss, Bug a boo, no no no remix etc....and Justin Timberlake is a R&B ARTIST. His last album didn’t have that same flavor which is part in why it flopped. Justin Timberlake forte isn’t rapping.


Cry me a river

Rock your body

Mirrors

Suit & tie

Like I love you

Senerita

My love


Is not JT “rapping” again wtf? Lmaooo. Beyoncé is a R&B artist first and foremost.

She does in fact need Hip Hop, which makes most of those Pop stars careers fleeting. They all relied on Hip Hop to become or remain relevant.

Some of the songs you listed features a rapper.

But we talking about beyonce, not most pop artists.

See my point above.

Topic of what? That album flopped and was panned by critics. Even on here nikkas called that album ass. Like I said, you been here long enough to know.

It is still an album that is discussed. I believe they got some Grammy noms from it. And if we're talking about this forum, people still talk about it.

“Hilary was nowhere near as popular”

Hillary was popular and married to one of the most notable presidents 15 years before Obama became President. What do you mean “not as popular”? She was married to perhaps the most popular white president in the past 20 years. Do you not know how popular Bill is?

Hillary lost the POPULAR vote to Obama in a primary in 2008.

 

[Knicksgarbageforever]

It's still a shelved album.




If you can't find it, it's irrelevant and a Wiki article without the citation is just as bas as a video you can't find.

So you just gonna ignore the article I posted??

She does in fact need Hip Hop, which makes most of those Pop stars careers fleeting. They all relied on Hip Hop to become or remain relevant.

No in fact, she does not. Her last real big album was I am Sasha fierce. The biggest songs on that album weren’t hip hop. Her last “rap album” flopped.

Some of the songs you listed features a rapper.

None of those damn songs are rap songs except maybe like I love you. This is what the other nikka meant when he said goalpost moving.

It is still an album that is discussed. I believe they got some Grammy noms from it. And if we're talking about this forum, people still talk about it.

But it flopped. You talking about “discussed” while trying to prove success/relevancy with Jay. Contradicting much?

Hillary lost the POPULAR vote to Obama in a primary in 2008.

And how many people into pop culture went out and voted? As if majority of the democrat party cares about Jay-z or beyonce lol

 

[JustCKing]

So you just gonna ignore the article I posted??

You posted a review of an album vs. a word from Matthew Knowles

No in fact, she does not. Her last real big album was I am Sasha fierce. The biggest songs on that album weren’t hip hop. Her last “rap album” flopped.

It still had Hip Hop on it and it probably had more Hip Hop on it than the previous two. Her album with the least amount of Hip Hop on it and more traditional R&B is the least successful of all her albums.

None of those damn songs are rap songs except maybe like I love you. This is what the other nikka meant when he said goalpost moving.

Where did I say those were rap songs? I said rap features.

But it flopped. You talking about “discussed” while trying to prove success/relevancy with Jay. Contradicting much?

The album flopped, but it still got noms and it had a pretty big single.

And how many people into pop culture went out and voted? As if majority of the democrat party cares about Jay-z or beyonce lol

The turn out to the election was largely people who were into Pop culture. Obama was still more popular than Hillary and yes people cared about Jay Z and Beyonce.

 

[Knicksgarbageforever]

You posted a review of an album vs. a word from Matthew Knowles

Except that wasn’t a album review. You not even reading what I’m posting smh.

It still had Hip Hop on it and it probably had more Hip Hop on it than the previous two.

But it wasn’t successful. That’s the point. Success and relevance right? You really are loving the goalpost. You went from telling me about how Jay had the most successful songs on a album, to now telling me it doesn’t matter if certain songs was successful or not.

Where did I say those were rap songs? I said rap features.

Cause you said they had rappers on it. Still not a rap song. R&B singers put rappers on their songs.

The album flopped, but it still got noms and it had a pretty big single.

Which single was big? Apeshyt? That song didn’t even chart within the top 15. Is that what you call successful? Cause beyonce had non hip hop related songs that charted just the same. She had non Jay-z songs that charted just the same. Stop trying to move the goalpost.

The turn out to the election was largely people who were into Pop culture. Obama was still more popular than Hillary and yes people cared about Jay Z and Beyonce.

But did they vote??? It’s well known many young people don’t vote.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

He an opportunist to a degree

You can’t say it’s just him maturing either

 

[JustCKing]

Except that wasn’t a album review. You not even reading what I’m posting smh.

It's an artist bio which is still less credible than a statement from Matthew Knowles.

But it wasn’t successful. That’s the point. Success and relevance right? You really are loving the goalpost. You went from telling me about how Jay had the most successful songs on a album, to now telling me it doesn’t matter if certain songs was successful or not.

You're wrong again. "Diva" was successful. It was a platinum selling single.

Cause you said they had rappers on it. Still not a rap song. R&B singers put rappers on their songs.

They did have rappers on them. Nothing you're saying changes that.

Which single was big? Apeshyt? That song didn’t even chart within the top 15. Is that what you call successful? Cause beyonce had non hip hop related songs that charted just the same. She had non Jay-z songs that charted just the same. Stop trying to move the goalpost.

That song did chart within the Top 15. Nobody's moving goal posts here, but you especially with the quote below.

But did they vote??? It’s well known many young people don’t vote.

Average voter turnout in the 2008 presidential primaries rose to its second-highest level ever, falling just a half percentage point short of its apex in 1972.

According to the NBC News exit polls, young voters’ share of the Democratic electorate on Feb. 5 was higher in nearly every state for which a good comparison with 2004 is available.1 In all of the 2008 contests for which exit poll data are available, young people have constituted an average (median) of 14% of Democratic primary voters, up from a median of 9% in the set of comparable contests in 2004.

^^^ so yeah, that 18-29 age group did in fact vote.

 

[JustCKing]

I understand how people can construe Jay marrying Beyonce keeps him relevant. Just know these are the same people asserting that Hillary Clinton was more popular than Obama because she was married to Bill Clinton even though Obama beat her in the 2008 primary in what was essentially a popularity contest.

Same people are also drawing comparisons to Jay/Beyonce and Cardi B/Offset. Despite, the average person not being able to name individual members of Migos, Offset not really having much of a solo career. Whereas Cardi B has had hit songs, a feature on one a huge Bruno Mars song, and a hit album as a solo artist.

 

[Art Barr]

Jay been huff since kingdom come breh.

Plus tbh he does not even sound like he wrote all his own rhymes at all at this current point. So it goes past his styles morph biter shyt.
into complete regression skillwise as far as jay post kingdom come.


Art Barr

 

[Knicksgarbageforever]

I understand how people can construe Jay marrying Beyonce keeps him relevant. Just know these are the same people asserting that Hillary Clinton was more popular than Obama because she was married to Bill Clinton even though Obama beat her in the 2008 primary in what was essentially a popularity contest.

Same people are also drawing comparisons to Jay/Beyonce and Cardi B/Offset. Despite, the average person not being able to name individual members of Migos, Offset not really having much of a solo career. Whereas Cardi B has had hit songs, a feature on one a huge Bruno Mars song, and a hit album as a solo artist.

This is cool by why you ignored my last post

 

[JustCKing]

This is cool by why you ignored my last post

I actually did respond to it. Then when I read the bit a couple of posts earlier it dawned on me that you're applying that same backward logic to Jay and Beyonce that you applied to Hillary's popularity because she was married to Bill Clinton.