How Did Hillary Clinton Become So Hated?

[StatUS]

Because i know how to count?

CBC is great. They also have raised money from private prisons and payday lenders through their PACs in the past. Hopefully with Kamala and Booker not taking money like that anymore theyvti cleaned house in Congress too.

So if you don't trust any white person on criminal justice reform it's safe to say this isn't a reason why Hillary became so hated. Cool. We can agree there.

Don't be dishonest breh I said 100% which is more than a reasonable stance. You're for sure sounding like a Fox News host with the cherry picks now

 

[Pressure]

CBC is great. They also have raised money from private prisons and payday lenders through their PACs in the past. Hopefully with Kamala and Booker not taking money like that anymore theyvti cleaned house in Congress too.


Don't be dishonest breh I said 100% which is more than a reasonable stance. You're for sure sounding like a Fox News host with the cherry picks now

I'm not being dishonest at all. You said her change in stance from supporting the crime bill to criminal justice reform is why you hate her because it's an example of her going back and forth on a stance. I said Bernie Sanders, actually voted for that same bill and now supports criminal justice reform as well. But I don't see any claim of hate because he's waffling on issues because his stance moved further left as well on the exact same topic.

You then gave the dishonest answer of saying you don't trust any white person 100% on criminal justice reform, but that isn't what I asked you. I asked why you HATE HER for making the same shift as someone YOU ADORE?

Will you answer this time?

Spoiler: option b

we can agree that's not the real reason and keep it moving

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[StatUS]

I'm not being dishonest at all. You said her change in stance from supporting the crime bill to criminal justice reform is why you hate her because it's an example of her going back and forth on a stance. I said Bernie Sanders, actually voted for that same bill and now supports criminal justice reform as well. But I don't see any claim of hate because he's waffling on issues because his stance moved further left as well on the exact same topic.

You then gave the dishonest answer of saying you don't trust any white person 100% on criminal justice reform, but that isn't what I asked you. I asked why you HATE HER for making the same shift as someone YOU ADORE?

Will you answer this time?

Spoiler: option b

we can agree that's not the real reason and keep it moving

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But I don't adore Bernie like you adore Hillary. I'm down with most of his policies stances and thought he was the easily the best choice in 2016. I support his move to put better people in office that don't take corporate donations. So you trying to bring Bernie up as some barometer of my stance against Hillary doesn't quite work. It's the same thing Trump does when he's and trouble and starts talking about Hillary.

I don't even really hate her if we're taking the title literally. I just listed reasons why reasonable people are against her. But I guess for some on this forum if you're against Hillary you've got to write a dissertation with a 2 page reference or else

 

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BERNIE VOTED FOR THE BILL THAT HILLARY WAS MERELY THE FIRST LADY FOR.

JESUS

fukkING

CHRIST

Stop this shyt.

Plus, corporate relationships are NOT bad. Being pro-business is NOT bad. Hillary has ALWAYS supported regulation and responsible capitalism.

HILLARY IS THE ENTIRE REASON MARTIN SKHRELI IS IN JAIL!!!!!!

JESUS fukkING CHRIST... I MERELY STATED MY OPINION AND YOU HAVE A LITERAL TITTY ATTACK...

Hillary was not pro-business she was corrupt to the core regardless and everything I said stands... pro-business speeches but blocked out by jamming white noise machines... that's not suspicious? also confronted of what she was gonna do for black people and gave no promises and only a lecture... c'mon fam... she failed because she was a failure and representative of the system.... People deep down inside felt she was unworthy...

 

[storyteller]

So you don't have any examples?

Do you consider Bernie sanders and honest actor on criminal reform? He actually voted for the Clinton crime bill.

This deserves some context since people seem to keep referencing it. It's not so cut and dried. There are clips of speeches and more quotes from them included, Bernie's been pretty consistent and in the case of that bill he voted for; his support for the bill came with criticism of the tough on crime aspects.

Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 tough-on-crime law. But it's complicated.

While the Clintons have defended the 1994 crime law until quite recently, Sanders was always careful to point out that he saw the law as a compromise — and regularly stated his concerns with mass incarceration.

In 1994, for example, he said that he would support it because it included the Violence Against Women Act, which helped crack down on domestic violence and rape.

"I have a number of serious problems with the crime bill, but one part of it that I vigorously support is the Violence Against Women Act. We urgently need the $1.8 billion in this bill to combat the epidemic of violence against women on the streets and in the homes of America."

Still, Sanders voted for the crime bill, largely because it included some provisions that he strongly approved of, like the Violence Against Women Act and a 10-year assault weapons ban. And he backed more funding for police, which the 1994 law included and remains a popular way to fight crime among liberals and conservatives.

But in other instances, Sanders voted against tough-on-crime measures. He voted against the 1991 crime bill. He voted against banning Pell grants (for college) for prisoners. He voted to amend the 1994 crime law to ban the federal death penalty. And he voted against the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which stripped defendants and prisoners of their ability to contest court rulings — even when the rulings may be unconstitutional.

But mostly, Sanders didn't really seem to care much about criminal justice policy. To him, the root of many of America's problems, including crime, has always been the economy and economic inequality in particular. The tough-on-crime push never fit into his ideals.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

JESUS fukkING CHRIST... I MERELY STATED MY OPINION AND YOU HAVE A LITERAL TITTY ATTACK...

Hillary was not pro-business she was corrupt to the core regardless and everything I said stands... pro-business speeches but blocked out by jamming white noise machines... that's not suspicious? also confronted of what she was gonna do for black people and gave no promises and only a lecture... c'mon fam... she failed because she was a failure and representative of the system.... People deep down inside felt she was unworthy...

how is that fukking corrupt?

nikka, she's a First Lady and secretary of state.

You keep acting like she's some low profile person

She's not fukking Carly Fiorina or Meg Whitman

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This deserves some context since people seem to keep referencing it. It's not so cut and dried.

Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 tough-on-crime law. But it's complicated.

the nuance story

nuanced enough to vote for it, huh?

Bernie always got an excuse






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[storyteller]

the nuance story

nuanced enough to vote for it, huh?

Bernie always got an excuse






@GzUp @wire28 @Blessed Is the Man @ezrathegreat @Jello Biafra @humble forever @Darth Nubian @Dameon Farrow @jj23 @General Bravo III @BigMoneyGrip @hashmander @Call Me James @VR Tripper @Iceson Beckford @dongameister @Soymuscle Mike @BaileyPark31 @Lucky_Lefty @johnedwarduado

In case your tagged buddies were wondering what Bernie said and did in 1994 when the zeitgeist didn't require any excuse making...

Still, Sanders voted for the crime bill, largely because it included some provisions that he strongly approved of, like the Violence Against Women Act and a 10-year assault weapons ban. And he backed more funding for police, which the 1994 law included and remains a popular way to fight crime among liberals and conservatives.

But in other instances, Sanders voted against tough-on-crime measures. He voted against the 1991 crime bill. He voted against banning Pell grants (for college) for prisoners. He voted to amend the 1994 crime law to ban the federal death penalty. And he voted against the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which stripped defendants and prisoners of their ability to contest court rulings — even when the rulings may be unconstitutional.

But mostly, Sanders didn't really seem to care much about criminal justice policy. To him, the root of many of America's problems, including crime, has always been the economy and economic inequality in particular. The tough-on-crime push never fit into his ideals. [/QUOTE[

 

[johnedwarduado]

Blame the far left and every moronic bernie sanders supporter who refused to vote for her out of spite and spent every time criticizing her yet not saying one word about trump. I blame TYT, Jimmy dore, kyle kulinski, that demon glenn greenwald a piece of shyt human being, lee fang, the intercept, the humanist report all these ''left'' which they are not news site/shows poisoned the minds of millions of liberals because they were butthurt their leader sanders lost fair and square. No democrat is going to be seen in a good way by republicans and the same was for obama, it is the left that i blame.

 

[Pressure]

This deserves some context since people seem to keep referencing it. It's not so cut and dried. There are clips of speeches and more quotes from them included, Bernie's been pretty consistent and in the case of that bill he voted for; his support for the bill came with criticism of the tough on crime aspects.

Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 tough-on-crime law. But it's complicated.

Not really because ultimately he voted on a bill that harmed black people despite being aware of the negative outcomes.

And ultimately fit the narrative of the charge labeled against Clinton for being inconsistent, despite her never voting.

That said, I don't find neither to be appalling since the 94 crime bill has huge support and people learn from their past mistakes.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

In case your tagged buddies were wondering what Bernie said and did in 1994 when the zeitgeist didn't require any excuse making...

He still voted for it.

Unless we're giving Hillary credit for the modern push for universal healthcare.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Blame the far left and every moronic bernie sanders supporter who refused to vote for her out of spite and spent every time criticizing her yet not saying one word about trump. I blame TYT, Jimmy dore, kyle kulinski, that demon glenn greenwald a piece of shyt human being, lee fang, the intercept, the humanist report all these ''left'' which they are not news site/shows poisoned the minds of millions of liberals because they were butthurt their leader sanders lost fair and square. No democrat is going to be seen in a good way by republicans and the same was for obama, it is the left that i blame.

bruh, Lee Fang and Zaid Jilani tried to get a crypto-republican elected mayor in Atlanta over Keisha Lance Bottoms

That infuriated me to NO END.

fukking frauds

 

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A lot of it is and has always been pure sexism. I have yet to meet anyone in person who can articulate just why they dislike her to such an irrational degree. Yes, she has made mistakes, and there have been some character issues, I think that has very little to do with the kind of raw hatred she inspires in men, and women.

 

[Pressure]

But I don't adore Bernie like you adore Hillary. I'm down with most of his policies stances and thought he was the easily the best choice in 2016. I support his move to put better people in office that don't take corporate donations. So you trying to bring Bernie up as some barometer of my stance against Hillary doesn't quite work. It's the same thing Trump does when he's and trouble and starts talking about Hillary.

I don't even really hate her if we're taking the title literally. I just listed reasons why reasonable people are against her. But I guess for some on this forum if you're against Hillary you've got to write a dissertation with a 2 page reference or else

I dont adore Clinton. I found her platform to be one I like and one that had realistic chances of having parts implemented in a staunchly conservative controlled congress.

She also addressed black issues and didn't just cast them off as mere economic issues.

As fa4 as the last paragraph, I gave a brief overview with reasons why Hillary became less popular from where she was in 2015 and even summer 2016.

You told me it wasn't detailed enough.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Not really because ultimately he voted on a bill that harmed black people despite being aware of the negative outcomes.

And ultimately fit the narrative of the charge labeled against Clinton for being inconsistent, despite her never voting.

That said, I don't find neither to be appalling since the 94 crime bill has huge support and people learn from their past mistakes.

Hillary apologized for a bill she didn't even vote for