How Did Hip Hop Get So Old?

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Poitier said:
End thread. Can't have fresh faces when the old faces are at the forefront for 20 years.
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I feel this right here, but you also have to think about WHY the old faces are at the forefront.

Who could you say should have blown up but didn't because of this reason
 
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Stone said:
I feel this right here, but you also have to think about WHY the old faces are at the forefront.

Who could you say should have blown up but didn't because of this reason
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That's the point. We will never know.
 
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Poitier said:
End thread. Can't have fresh faces when the old faces are at the forefront for 20 years.
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So Jay, Nas etc sposed to just quit cause they old and there needs to be a new face?:heh:
nikkas supposed to come take it. That's soft ass thinking. If a nikka is worthy of being the face then he'll be the face
 
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portcityplaya said:
So Jay, Nas etc sposed to just quit cause they old and there needs to be a new face?:heh:
nikkas supposed to come take it. That's soft ass thinking. If a nikka is worthy of being the face then he'll be the face
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Doesn't work like that.

Young nikkaz go to labels ran by Kanye, Jay, etc to get their styled vampired from and if they do a good enough job ghostwriting or whatever then they get their shot. That's not how music should work and is why rap is on the decline.
 
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Poitier said:
End thread. Can't have fresh faces when the old faces are at the forefront for 20 years.
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Come on man. @Stone is thinking rationally. The new faces just weren't that dope. At some point we gave to grow up and get over blaming everything on some metaphorical industry "man." It devalues the argument when there are actual instances of it. There was plenty of youth in hip hop, they were just incoherent and not spitting. There is always a lane for younger guys to come in if they make music people want. They just failed to do so. We went from Nas to Lil' Romeo as teens. The vets always co-sign a lot of these young guys and then they fail to produce something. It is only in hip hop where the veterans in the genre are supposed to just stop making music so the young guys can dominate the airwaves instead of earning that spot. How about you make good music that a lot of people want to hear and the rest will take care of itself...

The veterans in hip hop have their own lane, and there's more than enough space for young guys to come in and prosper. Look at the South, Outkast's popularity never affected TI, Jeezy, Ross and Luda. It never affected Wayne. LL was still on the radio getting play when Jay-Z, Biggie, Nas, X, Ja and co. took over. If you can't name one example of a young guy who should've blown up but was stymied by the vets like Stone asked then it just makes your argument incredibly weak. Juelz Santana should've been a king in hip hop and he dropped the ball. Back in the day, hip hop was raw and everyone was experimenting and it was all new. Now it takes artists longer to develop a style and to carve out a niche and to perfect their craft. No idea is original. That is not a negative (though labels not gambling is). If they want to get big in spite of that, well then you have a Soulja Boy type of scenario. Young artists today have more avenues to blow up and release their music than ever before. You have more cases of people failing despite co-signs than vice versa.

"HOV, I'm in my own lane already, why the fukk didn't y'all get hot already...." - Jay

"The lane was open and y'all was dropping that garbage shyt, you tried to tell the bigger dogs to call it quits...WHAT." - Nas
 
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portcityplaya said:
So Jay, Nas etc sposed to just quit cause they old and there needs to be a new face?:heh:
nikkas supposed to come take it. That's soft ass thinking. If a nikka is worthy of being the face then he'll be the face
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Exactly, people on the internet reason like nikkas in the barbershop. "Never let facts get in the way of a good story."
 
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Come on man. @Stone is thinking rationally. The new faces just weren't that dope. At some point we gave to grow up and get over blaming everything on some metaphorical industry "man." It devalues the argument when there are actual instances of it. There was plenty of youth in hip hop, they were just incoherent and not spitting. There is always a lane for younger guys to come in if they make music people want. They just failed to do so. We went from Nas to Lil' Romeo as teens. The vets always co-sign a lot of these young guys and then they fail to produce something. It is only in hip hop where the veterans in the genre are supposed to just stop making music so the young guys can dominate the airwaves instead of earning that spot. How about you make good music that a lot of people want to hear and the rest will take care of itself...

The veterans in hip hop have their own lane, and there's more than enough space for young guys to come in and prosper. Look at the South, Outkast's popularity never affected TI, Jeezy, Ross and Luda. It never affected Wayne. LL was still on the radio getting play when Jay-Z, Biggie, Nas, X, Ja and co. took over. If you can't name one example of a young guy who should've blown up but was stymied by the vets like Stone asked then it just makes your argument incredibly weak. Juelz Santana should've been a king in hip hop and he dropped the ball. Back in the day, hip hop was raw and everyone was experimenting and it was all new. Now it takes artists longer to develop a style and to carve out a niche and to perfect their craft. No idea is original. That is not a negative (though labels not gambling is). If they want to get big in spite of that, well then you have a Soulja Boy type of scenario. Young artists today have more avenues to blow up and release their music than ever before. You have more cases of people failing despite co-signs than vice versa.

"HOV, I'm in my own lane already, why the fukk didn't y'all get hot already...." - Jay

"The lane was open and y'all was dropping that garbage shyt, you tried to tell the bigger dogs to call it quits...WHAT." - Nas
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Nope. Hip hop wasn't a commodity when the old school came up and then 96 happened. Ever since, those who made the cut off played by different rules. The industry, which includes guys like Jay Z, decides who gets the funding. LL and Outkast did not sign tons of young acts only to steal their style and never release their albums.
 
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