How Did Hip Hop Get So Old?

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hiphop has just become too commercialized to the point where they're more worried about you being a selling point than having actual talent. like i mentioned in another thread, go look at some billboard charts from the 90's and focus on the rap releases. notice how everytime more rap comes into the picture, it gets worse? there's no quality control anymore. rap sells more than ever, but it's also the worst it's ever been. it's all about politics now. don't get me wrong...there's talent out there, but it just doesn't get pushed.
 

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Yeah u can't just make a demo tape and blow up anymore. U gotta drop a few mix tapes then start looking at offers. Also, a lot of the new rappers know bad deals when they see them. They'd rather stay independent for a few years then sign a 360. How many young, naive rappers back in the day had shytty deals? Most.
 

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Yeah u can't just make a demo tape and blow up anymore. U gotta drop a few mix tapes then start looking at offers. Also, a lot of the new rappers know bad deals when they see them. They'd rather stay independent for a few years then sign a 360. How many young, naive rappers back in the day had shytty deals? Most.

It's even worse now because you have the older rappers signing the younger rappers to 360s to recoup money they didn't make because they are still on their 10 album contract or whatever :heh:
 

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Also another thing, Drake is 27 NOW but he's been around for like 4-5 years now. Same with Cole
Rocky dropped LiveLoveA$AP 2 years ago and he's 25 now.
O.D/Section 80 Kendrick was around the same age.

So yeah they're older NOW, but they've been around for a minute now.
 

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For those saying ppl like Jay etc. are blocking young faces you gotta be kidding me.

When Nas, Jay, etc were coming up, Kane, Rakim , G Rap etc were still relevant and spitting. Fact is the new generation has ALWAYS has to make a name for themselves in Hip-Hop.

LL, KRS, Kane were dissing "old school" rappers in the 80's and they were so good that it put the Kool Moe's and Melle Mel's outta business.

The West Coast Cats stirred isht up in the late 80's early 90's. Then you had De La, Wu, Redman, Nas, Big, Onyx. The combo of all dem pretty much pushed the KRS, Kane and EPMD's out of the spotlight. Fast forward to the mid/late 90's and the West kept popping, but the South was really creating steam. That pushed out a lot of the NY and West Coasts Acts like Onyx, De La, Alkaholics, Hiero.

Then through the late 90's you had the Em, Common, 50, and the West Coast sorta died down sans maybe Game and a few others. Through all this time, some acts still transcend through multiple eras and survive.

LL (did for a while) Dr. Dre, (same as LL), Snoop, Nas, Jay, Em stayed relevant. For Dre, Snoop, Nas, Jay and Em, they all tried to bring ppl up (Quan, Beans, etc.) but none of those efforts met success. Meanwhile, the Wayne's and Kanye (sorta from Jay's camp) did become successful and shared the spotlight with the aforementioned group.

All along the way two themes should stick out.

1.) When the new crop wanted to get shine, by and large they did it on their own. All, got some kinda co-sign from a mentor (Kane - Jay, Dr. Dre - Snoop, G Rap - Nas). But this co-sign was not enough to make them stars only on that basis.
2.) Most of the older acts that make it try to bring ppl up. (Jay - Memp Bleek, Nas - Quan, Em - D12, Wayne - Jae Millz). But in ALL those examples, something about that artists that got the co-sign just didn't lead to success.

So again, to try to make it seem like the older cats are blocking the new ones...thas just not true!

 

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For those saying ppl like Jay etc. are blocking young faces you gotta be kidding me.

When Nas, Jay, etc were coming up, Kane, Rakim , G Rap etc were still relevant and spitting. Fact is the new generation has ALWAYS has to make a name for themselves in Hip-Hop.

LL, KRS, Kane were dissing "old school" rappers in the 80's and they were so good that it put the Kool Moe's and Melle Mel's outta business.

The West Coast Cats stirred isht up in the late 80's early 90's. Then you had De La, Wu, Redman, Nas, Big, Onyx. The combo of all dem pretty much pushed the KRS, Kane and EPMD's out of the spotlight. Fast forward to the mid/late 90's and the West kept popping, but the South was really creating steam. That pushed out a lot of the NY and West Coasts Acts like Onyx, De La, Alkaholics, Hiero.

Then through the late 90's you had the Em, Common, 50, and the West Coast sorta died down sans maybe Game and a few others. Through all this time, some acts still transcend through multiple eras and survive.

LL (did for a while) Dr. Dre, (same as LL), Snoop, Nas, Jay, Em stayed relevant. For Dre, Snoop, Nas, Jay and Em, they all tried to bring ppl up (Quan, Beans, etc.) but none of those efforts met success. Meanwhile, the Wayne's and Kanye (sorta from Jay's camp) did become successful and shared the spotlight with the aforementioned group.

All along the way two themes should stick out.

1.) When the new crop wanted to get shine, by and large they did it on their own. All, got some kinda co-sign from a mentor (Kane - Jay, Dr. Dre - Snoop, G Rap - Nas). But this co-sign was not enough to make them stars only on that basis.
2.) Most of the older acts that make it try to bring ppl up. (Jay - Memp Bleek, Nas - Quan, Em - D12, Wayne - Jae Millz). But in ALL those examples, something about that artists that got the co-sign just didn't lead to success.

So again, to try to make it seem like the older cats are blocking the new ones...thas just not true!

The industry in the 80s did not operate at the same level as it did in the 90s and definitely not present day.
 

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The industry in the 80s did not operate at the same level as it did in the 90s and definitely not present day.


Yeah...nowadays with social media, independent labels etc. a younger/newer artists can get into the mainstream easier than they did back then. ESPECIALLY easier than in the 90's when there were tons of artists, label politics were crazy and you couldn't really make it without a major label pushing your work.

 

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Nas blew up at 20/21

BIG Blew up at 22.

Snoop blew up at 22.


Only difference between now and then is, you gotta work and grind on ya own to build ya buzz up. THEN you drop the album. Which takes time

Drake dropped SFG at 22

Wiz dropped K&OJ at 22

Asap dropped LLA at 23
 

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Yeah...nowadays with social media, independent labels etc. a younger/newer artists can get into the mainstream easier than they did back then. ESPECIALLY easier than in the 90's when there were tons of artists, label politics were crazy and you couldn't really make it without a major label pushing your work.

Not if you aren't pushing a certain sound. You still need majors to distribute and to tour, don't be brainless.

Nas blew up at 20/21

BIG Blew up at 22.

Snoop blew up at 22.


Only difference between now and then is, you gotta work and grind on ya own to build ya buzz up. THEN you drop the album. Which takes time

Drake dropped SFG at 22

Wiz dropped K&OJ at 22

Asap dropped LLA at 23

And then you get signed to a Jay Z or a Baby or a Diddy or a Kanye and they proceed to steal your sound or distort it.
 

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And then you get signed to a Jay Z or a Baby or a Diddy or a Kanye and they proceed to steal your sound or distort it.

:stopitslime::comeon:

J Cole, Drake, Big Sean did not have their sound stolen or distorted. Especially not for the sake of their career.

You sound like a bitter cat that couldn't get on and now is blaming "the system" or "older heads"


GTFOH. In ANY walk of life, new talent finds a way to innovate and shine.
 

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:stopitslime::comeon:

J Cole, Drake, Big Sean did not have their sound stolen or distorted. Especially not for the sake of their career.

You sound like a bitter cat that couldn't get on and now is blaming "the system" or "older heads"

GTFOH. In ANY walk of life, new talent finds a way to innovate and shine.


Look up hyper capitalism and globalism and get back to me.
 

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His music always sounded like a take of a little kid trying to be Pharrell though. Like a dark version bootleg version of Pharell. That was his major influence before anything so I don't really see it as them being swallowed up. They still get to pretty much do what they want musically. Not always my cup of tea but i don't feel like they've compromised their sound. If their sound completely switched up I'd agree but it really hasn't. They just aren't buzzing like they were.

I feel like Dr Dre and Snoop have slowed down newer acts coming from the Westcoast because everything had to go through them. Or people were waiting for their co sign.

more like everyone was waiting for Dre to come and sign them or give them beats. i used to read about that all the time, some west coast cat complaining about how Dre doesn't want to work with them or some bullshyt about Dre & Snoop hogging the spotlight or something. bytch then make some music that deserves a spotlight & it will come
 
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