How did Kendrick Lamar become considered 'lyrical'?

[The Ruler 09]

I see the vulture @SirBiatch still obsessing over rappers he claims not to like due to desperate attention seeking.

 

[SirBiatch]

I take your silence as a sign of agreement that your statement that Kendricks writing is trash or low level middle school poetry as an over the top troll statement or as you would put it, trash.

@SirBiatch

I started a response but thought you and that incredibly mediocre Kendrick paragraph weren't worth the time. Knowing of course that you're desperate to talk about trolling SirB rather than discuss the issue at hand.

But since you've tagged me, might as well post what was stored here:

Wow, what a surprise.

You did exactly what I thought you would. Focus on me calling you a well know troll and deflect the question.

It shouldn't be a surprise. You started the troll convo

WOAT banner.

You're an idiot who pays attention to shiny banners and colorful fonts instead of the actual argument.

Since its YOUR statement its up to YOU to defend it.

And I have. hundreds of times. You know, you've read my posts.

I wont take single lines out of context for you since it goes against my own argument. If they are out of context they don't have any power.

cop-out.com

Its the way they are weaved together to make an effortless stream of introspective narrative of three different people while still painting a vivid picture of exterior surroundings which makes it great poetry. But you have to listen to it to really get whats genius about it. And sure you can say that is "wiggly" but thats how music and rap lyrics work.
Lyrics is not whats good on paper, its making words work together in a flow.

If you cant make an argument why it is low level, middle school poetry with out having single lines to judge then you are not fit to question a rappers level of lyricism.

If you cant argue why a song is lyrical without singled out lines. Then at lest explain why you have to be specific to the point of singled out lines with out calling it "wiggly".

How much to you need to break stuff down anyway? Maybe lines are even too wide of a concept. Maybe people should start compering words and single them out. If you judge a painting, you dont single out single brush strokes.

But sure if you really want to keep the discussion to single lines/bars then point out whats low level, middle school poetry about this part?

This is the life of another girl damaged by the system
These foster homes, I run away and never do miss 'em
See, my hormones just run away and if I can get 'em back
To where they used to be then I'll probably be in the denim
Of a family gene that show women how to be women
Or better yet, a leader, you need her to learn somethin'
Then you probably need to beat her, that's how I was taught
Three nikkas in one room, first time I was tossed
And I'm exhausted, but fukk that "Sorry for your loss" shyt
My sister died in vain, but what point are you trying to gain
If you can't fit the pumps I walk in?

This is the life of another girl damaged by the system
These foster homes, I run away and never do miss 'em

Boring. A super common situation touched on rap music, and using basic banal words. But at least I can see what he's talking about.

See, my hormones just run away and if I can get 'em back
To where they used to be then I'll probably be in the denim
Of a family gene that show women how to be women

The fukk is he talking about?

Why bring up hormones all of a sudden? "Hormones run away" is stupid mixed-metaphor bullshyt. We can say "Hormones run high" because hormones come in intensity. e.g. high or low volume. But to 'run away' is stupid as fukk. It makes no sense because hormones never run away. They're always in the body. So if you say something like that, meaning's gonna be lost because it literally doesn't happen in real life (or remotely close) and thus can't have poetic meaning as a result. But he probably added that shyt to coincide with the "I run away" statement earlier.

"denim" is a substitute for 'jeans' which is a sound play on words for 'gene'. Cute but that's middle school shyt. And it sounds stupid as fukk to say [translated] "I"ll probably be in the gene of a family gene."
Then you add "that show women how to be women" and I'm sitting there like Get to the fukking point and stop rambling.

Or better yet, a leader, you need her to learn somethin'
Then you probably need to beat her, that's how I was taught
Three nikkas in one room, first time I was tossed
And I'm exhausted, but fukk that "Sorry for your loss" shyt

Nothing I haven't heard before, all expressed in the most banal language. There's no depth. Just "yeah I'm a woman. I'm used to violence and I had a train run on me." So what? What does she think about either of those situations? Where's the insight? e.g. maybe when she was getting beat she remembers that whoever was doing the beating had a lotto ticket stuffed in their jeans pocket and she kept thinking how strange that was (disappearing into her own world). And mentioning that lotto ticket gives an insight into the kind of person her aggressor was. ***I just made that up by the way. You'll predictably clown it and miss my point entirely **

My sister died in vain, but what point are you trying to gain
If you can't fit the pumps I walk in?

Basic-ass variation of You can't walk a mile in my shoes Cliche as fukk

And this is my point. Kendrick has touched on foster homes, sexual violence, lack of family structure and prostitution all in those 11 lines, yet has said absolutely nothing insightful about them.

This is one of several reasons I and others don't fukk with Kendrick. We see him throwing cliche "conscious" topics at us but never engaging them in any meaningful way, whether emotionally or intellectually.

My statement is that Sing about me is top tier song writing.

I already wrote why in my other post:

"He weave the lines so good with the beat and flow. Its effortless. Like damn. How can you not call that lyrical. The lyrics punch through the song.

People is so attached to the idea that to be considered lyrical you have to have lines that takes you out off the song and go "damn let me rewind that line".
But true genius writing makes you so engaged with the song that you are hypnotized and forget you just listened to a 12 minute song without become being bored."

This is just vague rambling, like your entire post. "Whys" contain examples and analyze the examples. How you gon say "this is why" without posting a single line from Sing of Thirst? [Note* in your subsequent response you actually posted the paragraph I just dismantled]

From the get-go, your analysis should have been:

[Insert line]. In this line, he uses these words to describe this image and here's why it's meaningful and intelligent. Here's why the way he pronounces the words in time with the beat add to depth.




Are you happy now? Consider what I've said and respond with some depth or this will have been (predictably) another waste of my time. I have always been extremely thorough on The Coli and that's why y'all hate me. Then pretend like I'm not thorough or I haven't discussed this topic already.

What's y'all take on those 11 lines Jack posted? @IVS @Cadillac @bigbadbossup2012 @ThreeLetterAgency

 

[10bandz]

nikka just spent the last hour crafting that shytty ass response


he was ducking until he got pressed too, then tried to save face with the rambling ass post

Hates Kendrick but this guy spends all his time nitpicking everything Kendrick says as if Asap Rocky's shyt makes any more sense

Take this L 40 year old virgin

 

[10bandz]

nikka talking about being thorough, nikka you been throughly shytted on in The Booth on several occasions by several posters, and you run and cry to the mods about it

How you snitching on dudes on message boards and you 40 yrs old fam

 

[SirBiatch]

I see a number of my stalkers have come out to play None of them on topic of course, but they're supposedly really smart listeners

All the feelings I've hurt

 

[10bandz]

This nikka has the same basic 4-5 deflections for everything people say to him

Ayyo y'all, this nikka is FORTY acting like this

He really snitches to the mods on users here....ask the mods Not even Wicked fukking Lames snitched on me but YOU did!

 

[10bandz]

be voted the WOAT and pretend like your opinion matters brehs

Maybe you should tag WallyChamp for reinforcement or some shyt


nikka just spent his Sunday morning typing an essay about Kendrick, a rapper he hates

 

[Art Barr]

He is a styles war rapper who perfected the art of basically parrotting the best style war emcees in double time or the last socalled best emcee of the late nineties during a certain period like cani and Eminem.
Past that I don't think of him as lyrical and his rhymes are to offkey and outdated to hold my attention.
Plus his voice offers me no convincability.
On top of the fact I don't program rappers who use styles war outdated styles for my personal listening.
He is just another rapper on the large drawing labels that are out and act as a good gateway to neo soul and interscope meets universal style rnb.
Who could possibly have been a high drawing ghost writer.
Which is how I believe kendrick's place was warranted or authenticated.
to create his pr and drawing slot on aftermath/interscope/universal.


Art Barr

 

[Zero]

Kendrick is a solid B/B+ artist in a C/C- era.

Its not even close.

This is perfect

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

i've been saying this for a long fukkin time now

ab-soul > kendrick, when it comes to lyricism

 

[CELL]

This idiot is comparing Jay Elec to Nas and Kendrick?

How about he releases an album before stan wars can commence?

 

[Cynic]

because Drake is the flashy superstar

Cole is the relatable everyman

and Kendrick fills that void

He's not seeing Lupe or Nas but he doesn't have to

 

[504Slim]

correct me if im wrong
i thought lyrical = punchlines,similes,metaphors etc..

 

[Higher Tech]

Im not even a huge fan of Kendrick. I enjoy his music, But I dont find it to be as great as some others find it.

But I can't understand where all the hate and "he's fake deep," stuff comes from. He seems like a regular down to earth dude that makes music a little different than his peers. I read the stuff that gets written on here about him and I don't know what yall want from him.

 

[b_low_brown]

its cause rap fans thing jazzy productions, vaguely progressive lyrics about capitalism and being against the government means you're "educated"...he's wrapping generic smart-nikka lines up in a package that people who want to appear educate cling to.

Some of my most successful and educated friends listen to some of the most vapid bullshyt...not because they're stupid...but because they know its entertainment. This untitled EP Kendrick dropped was nice...but he doesn't impress people who are hard to impress because they see through it.

Wtf? The logic in this thread is hilarious

They see through WHAT? Why does he have to be fake because he isn't going for catchiness on his shyt

If Kendrick appeals to people who wanna be educated, then every fukking rapper appeals to people that wanna be like what they are. You guys are making retarded points here