AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Exactly, ask Steve Smith, Mario Manningham and Hakeem Nicks how they did without Eli.
How did Odell fall from Top 5 to not mentioned at all so quickly?
- Thread starter GilSho
- Start date
Apprentice
RIP Doughboy Roc
Naw this is exactly the problem
Giants used to scheme him on intermediate routes that gave him rac ability that would open double moves up for him, Kitchens last year had him running routes as if he was AJ Green or Julio Jones
I expect them to fix that portion of the scheme this year
Injuries and no longer playing for one of the 6-7 Blueblood teams
Apprentice
RIP Doughboy Roc
Baker isn’t really the problem the scheme they were running was just really shytty last year, trying to turn Baker into a drop back passer ala Brady, Stafford etc. is just not good football
He has bad chemistry with Baker - Mayfield is way more in tune with Landry. Whenever Baker throws OBJ the ball it seems forced like he's trying to keep him happy by giving him his targets.
That being said, their HC was a total disaster. Let's see what they do with Stefanski. Truth be told, they need to be a run first team. Chubb/Hunt is a great tandem.
That being said, their HC was a total disaster. Let's see what they do with Stefanski. Truth be told, they need to be a run first team. Chubb/Hunt is a great tandem.
Exactly, someone knows wtf they were talking about
Kitchens never played to the Strengths of bakers odell and landry
Eli was a good quarterback. We don't buy the cream of the crop talk.This is the Catch-22. The reason Odell's production is down is because he has a bad QB, but that means admitting Eli was a good QB.
Eli's WRs, and usually the top 3 on the depth chart AND a TE, always ate with Eli as QB.
His targets never went to another team and produced like they did for him but that's not a conversation anyone wants to have
Interesting
All 3 of them played with Eli when he was still good.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
And Odell was having all-time WR numbers for his first three years playing with Eli to. He had a somewhat down year his last year with the Giants, gets traded. He, the Browns and ESPN talk all types of shyt about how he was gonna do work with Cleveland now that he is playing with a decent QB and he has his worst year to date. Oops!
murksiderock
Superstar
First of all he was always overrated, and he was never "the face" of The League...
He was a novelty in an offense that wasn't well constructed so he stood out. For all his stans, I'm not saying he was ass, but he was never truly "great". He was the Giants' bailout option and had the speed and strong hands to make the splash plays. What else did he do at an elite level?
At his peak in his first 3 years you could argue he was #3 but at no point was he ever better than Julio or AB. He played for the Giants, so of course people hyped him as the next great thing. He was never Randy Moss and Julio is the guy from this era who has Moss-like comps...
Add to the fact that he started getting hurt more and had a garbage QB that kept getting worse, and a poorly designed and run offense that couldn't get him the ball adequately, and he fell more in love with being a celebrity than being a great football player, and there you go...
He peaked early, we've seen the ceiling. That ain't coming back but he can turn into Wayne 2.0 or something along those lines if he's as dedicated as he's been saying. You have to be able to develop the appropriate chemistry with your quarterback too, you can't throw fits when you dont get the ball and you can't be a one trick pony. Baker isn't the problem, but the blame for lack of connection falls on them both. If he can't establish the rapport he ain't getting a pass, but for me simply put, he was never quite as good as people thought, he just stood out more because of where he played and who he played with...
He was a novelty in an offense that wasn't well constructed so he stood out. For all his stans, I'm not saying he was ass, but he was never truly "great". He was the Giants' bailout option and had the speed and strong hands to make the splash plays. What else did he do at an elite level?
At his peak in his first 3 years you could argue he was #3 but at no point was he ever better than Julio or AB. He played for the Giants, so of course people hyped him as the next great thing. He was never Randy Moss and Julio is the guy from this era who has Moss-like comps...
Add to the fact that he started getting hurt more and had a garbage QB that kept getting worse, and a poorly designed and run offense that couldn't get him the ball adequately, and he fell more in love with being a celebrity than being a great football player, and there you go...
He peaked early, we've seen the ceiling. That ain't coming back but he can turn into Wayne 2.0 or something along those lines if he's as dedicated as he's been saying. You have to be able to develop the appropriate chemistry with your quarterback too, you can't throw fits when you dont get the ball and you can't be a one trick pony. Baker isn't the problem, but the blame for lack of connection falls on them both. If he can't establish the rapport he ain't getting a pass, but for me simply put, he was never quite as good as people thought, he just stood out more because of where he played and who he played with...
murksiderock
Superstar
Eli was good earlier in his career, he was always declining during the Odell years. Eli's last Top 10 year by passer rating was '11 and the last year you could even borderline argue him as a Top 10 guy would be '12...
He was never good when Odell had him, he was average or worse and just had Odell to make him look good sometimes. Giants should have moved off of bum ass Eli no later than '14...
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
And you can blame the Giants Owner John Mara. McAdoo tried to bench him he even discussed it with Mara prior to doing so, but when announcing it to the press McAdoo tried to act like Pat Riley without the championship pedigree and came off arrogant. The press and fans went crazy about how Eli was treated and the Giants fired him and made Eli the starter again. Mara should have held his head coach down instead he folded to media pressure.
Has Odell not been injured the last 2-3 years?And Odell was having all-time WR numbers for his first three years playing with Eli to. He had a somewhat down year his last year with the Giants, gets traded. He, the Browns and ESPN talk all types of shyt about how he was gonna do work with Cleveland now that he is playing with a decent QB and he has his worst year to date. Oops!
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
He missed most of 2017 but onle 4 games in 2018 and he played all of last year.
murksiderock
Superstar
Its 100% on Mara because McAdoo shouldn't have ever been in the position to make the call. It was very clear Eli was declining before Wackadoo got there, he should have been out long before. Mara's allegiance to mediocrity was unbelievable to me and I always laughed when muhfukkas called the Giants "one of the most well run organizations". Hold on to a clearly declining asset at the game's most important position, you aren't running your organization well lmao...
