How did Pippen fall off so hard after leaving Chicago?

[FunkDoc1112]

People really don't understand how debilitating a bad back is

Reminds me of a Hannibal Buress bit where he was like "Now I don't know if y'all know this...but your back is like, half your body."

 

[Art Barr]

Your entire argument is that you could say something, but won't?

Pops >> Sloan
30yo Duncan >> 34yo Malone
24yo TP >> 35yo Stockton
29yo Ginobli >> 34yo Hornacek
Finley/Horry/Bowen/Oberto >> Russell/Foster/Anderson/Ostertag

Spurs made 7 threes/game on 37% shooting, Jazz made 2 threes/game on 22% shooting
Spurs had 2/5 of the NBA All-Defensive team, Jazz had Malone

And MJ went to war with Scottie, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, Longley, and Kerr. Lebron had Z, Boobie, Gooden, Sasha, Varejao, and Damon Jones.

You old people are something else. Spurs a good two levels better at EVERY position, coaching, and bench.

You must have wet dreams at night remembering how great it was when 4 nonathletic White Americans could make the Finals starting NBA games together.

The Spurs big three was in their 24-30 prime, while the Utah big 3 was 34-35, Spurs had some of the GOAT role players while Jazz had trash, and you're saying they the same.

You can say all that but Michael Jordan won more titles in championship series of play undefeated at his natural position of sg.
Plus playing at lebron's natural position of point guard averages a triple double every game.
albeit one game of play upsetting the average by one assist.
For the simple fact, Michael Jordan was NOT a championship round front running selfish stat padder from the mistake who sat by the lake dookie eater loser.

Michael Jordan being an instrumental key every level of undefeated championship level of hs, collegiate and soon to be championship NBA PRO level era for that time.
The team player and triple double averaging Michael jordan at the position of point guard. From Michael Jordan's triple double averaging instrumental play was sat down in an early blow out. with lower than double digits in assist at nine for the game early in the third quarter of play.
Just to dispel any false narratives of Jordan not being a better passer and team player than lebron.

Including the fact out of retirement for the league minimum to thwart his wife's divorce.
Alternatively in a masterful administrative narrative coup at the time for all men in that era everywhere.

Comes to play the small forward position, away from Chicago after being and stepping down as an executive.
[Jordan would soon, re-retire and buy the hornets for basically twenty million dollars on the supreme back end of transactions and calculations. To be worth now more than a billion]
While also averaging nearly similar numbers to lebron James at the wing forward position with only nine usable fingers and one usable fluid knee cap as well. Which occurred from freak accidents and not from actual field of play.
to dispel any argument space about who physically was the best specimen in executing robust series of play as far as durability. As Jordan if those freak accidents never happen would have easily in argument space averaged and also would have played much longer and also eclipsed said lebron's play at the wing forward and set the standard at the wing forward amalgamated position roster responsibility space.
as far as the correct archetype to base a championship level team responsibility rubrick upon as well at the position.
Of which as far as actual skill space past metrics Michael Jordan was far superior in execution as a skill player at the wing forward position than James at the wing forward position well.
Which means lebron has once again no real skill, numbers or championship factual space to argue against or enter in the convo against the goat, air Jordan.

So stop it.


Art Barr

While lebron playing his natural pro position of draft pedigree as a point guard never averaged as many points and never averaged a triple double every game. Nor was an assist shy of a triple double in argumentive comparison. Including never made the post season playing his natural position at pg.
Coupled with the fact you don't have argumentative space to speak about Jordan in any comparative space as a pro.
As Jordan in alternate position space is better at lebron's natural position.
While also ramping a player in pip at the wing forward position.
that bron would fail at the one and have to shirk his natural position for at eing forward.
Plus playing wing forward failed to secure titles in the post season every time he was in a final round and was also so inept a skill player, team player and leader. that he could not galvanize a much more talented roster.
above an aged unit roster on san antonio and Dallas. Plus is incapable of beating players in his actual age range and younger as well.

So you don't have argumentive comparative space.
to make an adequate comparison of bron to Michael air Jeffrey goat jordan. As bron is not in the factual space.
to qualify for a comparison at his natural position, at point guard statistically or the post season.
nor does his championship resume in the loss column have factual comparison with five losses to mj's zero losses at lebron's wing forward position as well.
Notice you know nothing about the progression of who won titles in the NBA during that time and their failures particulary in the west.
As you forgot that lebron also failed to secure multiple ships in situations of play against veterans[SA & MAVS], similar aged[SA WITH KAWHI] and younger players as well in golden state repeatedly as well.

While air Jordan beat every hierarchical western conference finalist of all age and feral real NBA roster height ranges.
Those west coast conference teama also owned jordan's bulls globally in the loss column.
till that final round where Jordan went undefeated and also claimed championships on the road multiple numerous times.
in two similar three peats with the lowest talented roster in arguably NBA finals history consistently to two UNDEFEATED THREE PEATS.

Whereas bron failed with rosters made up of higher skilled players in height, age, scoring, skill and roster type of his own making manipulating in the front office. while alternatively JORDAN, was successful with a proverbial non-athletic spreadsheet bean counting accountant as the survey and signee in Krause. Where Jordan wills himself under any health, or roster argument.
in comparison for administrative comparison between bron and Jordan.
Where Jordan goes undefeated with any and all administrative power out of his hands in general. Whereas bron has lost fives times in finals round of play. While also never securing a three peat once. Plus never securing a repeat twice.

While, michael jordan has repeated twice and is undefeated and also repeated three peated twice and is undefeated.

So lebron has no legitimate factual argumentive space in the final round of play as well.

So fukk'n fukk what that bullshyt is you talembout.


Art Barr

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You can say all that but Michael Jordan won more titles in championship series of play undefeated at his natural position of sg.
Plus playing at lebron's natural position of point guard averages a triple double every game.
albeit one game of play upsetting the average by one assist.
For the simple fact, Michael Jordan was NOT a championship round front running selfish stat padder from the mistake who sat by the lake dookie eater loser.

Michael Jordan being an instrumental key every level of undefeated championship level of hs, collegiate and soon to be championship NBA PRO level era for that time.
The team player and triple double averaging Michael jordan at the position of point guard. From Michael Jordan's triple double averaging instrumental play was sat down in an early blow out. with lower than double digits in assist at nine for the game early in the third quarter of play.
Just to dispel any false narratives of Jordan not being a better passer and team player than lebron.

Including the fact out of retirement for the league minimum to thwart his wife's divorce.
Alternatively in a masterful administrative narrative coup at the time for all men in that era everywhere.

Comes to play the small forward position, away from Chicago after being and stepping down as an executive.
[Jordan would soon, re-retire and buy the hornets for basically twenty million dollars on the supreme back end of transactions and calculations. To be worth now more than a billion]
While also averaging nearly similar numbers to lebron James at the wing forward position with only nine usable fingers and one usable fluid knee cap as well. Which occurred from freak accidents and not from actual field of play.
to dispel any argument space about who physically was the best specimen in executing robust series of play as far as durability. As Jordan if those freak accidents never happen would have easily in argument space averaged and also would have played much longer and also eclipsed said lebron's play at the wing forward and set the standard at the wing forward amalgamated position roster responsibility space.
as far as the correct archetype to base a championship level team responsibility rubrick upon as well at the position.
Of which as far as actual skill space past metrics Michael Jordan was far superior in execution as a skill player at the wing forward position than James at the wing forward position well.
Which means lebron has once again no real skill, numbers or championship factual space to argue against or enter in the convo against the goat, air Jordan.

So stop it.


Art Barr

While lebron playing his natural pro position of draft pedigree as a point guard never averaged as many points and never averaged a triple double every game. Nor was an assist shy of a triple double in argumentive comparison. Including never made the post season playing his natural position at pg.
Coupled with the fact you don't have argumentative space to speak about Jordan in any comparative space as a pro.
As Jordan in alternate position space is better at lebron's natural position.
While also ramping a player in pip at the wing forward position.
that bron would fail at the one and have to shirk his natural position for at eing forward.
Plus playing wing forward failed to secure titles in the post season every time he was in a final round and was also so inept a skill player, team player and leader. that he could not galvanize a much more talented roster.
above an aged unit roster on san antonio and Dallas. Plus is incapable of beating players in his actual age range and younger as well.

So you don't have argumentive comparative space.
to make an adequate comparison of bron to Michael air Jeffrey goat jordan. As bron is not in the factual space.
to qualify for a comparison at his natural position, at point guard statistically or the post season.
nor does his championship resume in the loss column have factual comparison with five losses to mj's zero losses at lebron's wing forward position as well.
Notice you know nothing about the progression of who won titles in the NBA during that time and their failures particulary in the west.
As you forgot that lebron also failed to secure multiple ships in situations of play against veterans[SA & MAVS], similar aged[SA WITH KAWHI] and younger players as well in golden state repeatedly as well.

While air Jordan beat every hierarchical western conference finalist of all age and feral real NBA roster height ranges.
Those west coast conference teama also owned jordan's bulls globally in the loss column.
till that final round where Jordan went undefeated and also claimed championships on the road multiple numerous times.
in two similar three peats with the lowest talented roster in arguably NBA finals history consistently to two UNDEFEATED THREE PEATS.

Whereas bron failed with rosters made up of higher skilled players in height, age, scoring, skill and roster type of his own making manipulating in the front office. while alternatively JORDAN, was successful with a proverbial non-athletic spreadsheet bean counting accountant as the survey and signee in Krause. Where Jordan wills himself under any health, or roster argument.
in comparison for administrative comparison between bron and Jordan.
Where Jordan goes undefeated with any and all administrative power out of his hands in general. Whereas bron has lost fives times in finals round of play. While also never securing a three peat once. Plus never securing a repeat twice.

While, michael jordan has repeated twice and is undefeated and also repeated three peated twice and is undefeated.

So lebron has no legitimate factual argumentive space in the final round of play as well.

So fukk'n fukk what that bullshyt is you talembout.


Art Barr

I read the first two lines and was like, "No way 5 minutes of my life worth this."

 

[Randoug]

nikkas writing paragraphs

 

[Art Barr]

nikkas writing paragraphs

You never saw the greatest at anything other than posting like me.
to have paragraphs to post tho.



Art Barr

 

[daboywonder2002]

his last 2 years on Bulls he was averaging 20 6 6, and then he goes to Houston and averages his highest MPG of his career and averages only 14 with 6 and 6 and only lasted 1 year there before going to Portland where he averaged 12 6 5.

Stats don't tell the whole story. He was a very good impact player in Portland. they were just very deep that Pip didn't have to carry the squad.

Might mouse, Smitty, Pip, Sheed, Sabonis. Bench- Greg anthony, brian grant, plastic man stacy augon, detlef schrempf

 

[Art Barr]

Stats don't tell the whole story. He was a very good impact player in Portland. they were just very deep that Pip didn't have to carry the squad.

Might mouse, Smitty, Pip, Sheed, Sabonis. Bench- Greg anthony, brian grant, plastic man stacy augon, detlef schrempf

Actually imo, if that team actually committed to bigger is better they would have had more success.

They should have ran:


Pip
Smitty
Augmon
Sheed
Sabonis


Art Barr

 

[Kairi Irving]

So Jordan was carrying a role player and boosting his stats.

Sounds like Gaymond Green

 

[NatiboyB]

Pippen I recall played on a blazers team that actually bought in to spreading the ball around none of them put up big numbers.

 

[JackRoss]

Yea,that was a finals matchup

 

[JackRoss]

You gonna ignore Pippen, Rodman, Harper, Kerr, and Kukoc but count the UTAH lineup as five?


Who were the 5?

Jazz had 34yo Hornacek and 35yo Stockton as their #2 and #3 scorers, both of them were years older and even more washed than Pippen was.

And their other two starters were Adam Keefe and Greg Foster.

Malone was the ONLY Utah player who averaged 11ppg or more in that series.

Greg Ostertag