How did the Pac/Jay Z beef get started?

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True.

That's why Pac turnt it up.

But that doesn't include Hov. He may have spent some time as Big's hype man.

Thankfully, he didn't go Bad Boy, and Dame, Biggs, and Hov did their own thing.
Pac and Big would be alive today if Pac wasnt sociopath nikka obsessed with Biggie Smalls. When he got shot in Ny there was no indication bad boy had anything to do with that. He basically jumped to
Conclusion and ultimately started a coastal beef that could of been avoided. Bad boy saw how apeshyt pac was and avoided it and kept making great music .Bad boy had nothing to gain in a coastal beef and played it accordingly
 

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Nas moved like ⅓ of what Big and Pac moved. I wouldn't include him in the discussion. I would add Fugees and Bone Thugs though. Even Coolio moved more units, so you might wanna throw in Outkast, Warren G, Snoop, Dre and bunch of cats who moved more or at least the same amount.


Yes Jay was pretty local when he released his first indie album, I was a kid and even I remember that.

And no, he was not his Bleek, Cease was his Bleek. They were not on the same label, Jays buzz was not connected to Big and Jay was only buzzing in NY at the time. People outside of NY didn't even know that they were that good friends, only shows they did were in their borough at pretty small venues. Some very deep people in the midwest might've heard of him but they had to be deep hiphop heads. They became close friends and started tearing up clubs, Jay put him onto game and increased his street cred in NY. That's probably what Big loved with Jay, that he was a baller and connected. (It was obviously deeper but those could be two factors to why one of the biggest stars would be coming out at shytty venues to perform with an indie rapper, or constantly flex in clubs with them).

Nas was moving units once If I Ruled the World Came, out out.

He had just dropped a double platinum album. There's a reason Pac called him the ringleader of New York rap over Big due to lyrical prowess. He wrote Me & My Girlfriend for a reason.

Jay was trying to get on since the late eighties. Doing his best Jaz impression. He finally made a little noise almost a decade later. Him, being older than Big. He was Big's hype man at times. But let's be a Hov fan and rewrite history.
 

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Pac and Big would be alive today if Pac wasnt sociopath nikka obsessed with Biggie Smalls. When he got shot in Ny there was no indication bad boy had anything to do with that. He basically jumped to
Conclusion and ultimately started a coastal beef that could of been avoided. Bad boy saw how apeshyt pac was and avoided it and kept making great music .Bad boy had nothing to gain in a coastal beef and played it accordingly

From what I read, Puff knew even if Biggie didn't.
 

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at this :duck:

nas brought it up in the XXL mag - when pressed on details about biggie asking him to do a pac diss song

he froze up, and said nah.... imma save that... maybe if i write a book some day (that interview was a decade & a half ago)

we dont believe u - u need more people

So you need it to come out in a book first so you can believe it?God knows you was citing excerpts from one of the biggest liars in the game PRODIGY just a week ago,when it fit your narrative of course:sas1:

What more details do you need?Funny you don't demand more details when shyt benefits your perspective:mjlol:

You think Dilla and his people gon bring up names of 2 living people who could easily deny the story if its a lie?They mention Busta not being sure about being on it because it was a Pac diss,Nas confirms Biggie wanted him to team up against Pac.....You think its just a coincidence Nas and Dilla both making up the same stories?How the hell does it benefit either of them to make this shyt up:childplease:?Put two and two together if you can,Nas decided he aint want to be on it,and suddenly Biggie decides to go back to being mr positivity again and not do this diss,seems he wasn't as confident without Nas to back em up:sas1:
 

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"[Biggie] called me. He said, 'Let's get together.' He said that everyone was a little nervous about it, but he was calling me about getting busy," Nas

:laff::laff::laff::laff: Biggie was scared to go against the gawd :camby::umad:
 

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Jay's actually far from fake. He's had dudes that don't even fukk with him vouch for his hustling days, not to mention all those videos before he got signed were funded by him, Dame, and Biggs. I'm sure he does embellish, just like every other rapper, musician, writer, shyt just about everyone who's ever lived that has told any kind of story does.

Plus he still stands by all his real homies growing up and from the Roc days, emphasis on REAL. I know he still shows a lot of love to Young Chris and Free the only ones who never dissed him. He also puts together shows for them on the low, well he put them in contact with Live Nation to organize the shows for them, and had Live Nation set up that State Prop reunion tour, which eventually did shows all around the country. He had them out for the Tidal B-Side concert. And he hooked Chris up with Puff earlier this year to ghostwrite for him. He still takes care of Bleek, Ty Ty, and Emory to name a few, not to mention all the charitable shyt he does on the low.

It's all scorned ex business partners and workers that say he's fake, but they completely overlook all the shyt they did to him and just expect him to treat them as charity cases and keep feeding them cause he's still getting richer.

I know a bunch of dudes in the Stagehands union in Philly who worked a bunch of his concerts here, and everyone of them from all the different shows said he comes around while they're setting up and chops it up with them, thanks them, has a good lunch set up for the whole crew. He's def got an arrogant prick side to him, but he's not this evil soulless dude that a lot of people make him out to be, I've heard first hand stories about him doing a lot of good, and a good bit of them are from people who didn't like him.

Jay is fake bruh
 

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Jay is fake bruh

I've spoken with plenty of inside sources who vehemently deny this. Sources who are close with Jay and have been for 10-15 years and say that Jay still looks out for them on the low.

Dame pulled the snake shyt when Jay was away on vacation and Jay cut him off. Jay NEVER fukked with Cam, while Jay was on vacation with Beyonce he finds out through a magazine interview that Dame named Cam VP of Rocafella. THAT is fake. Dame kept going overboard with shyt like this, while already having a reputation for shyt like this. That's why Jay became even closer with State Prop and kept separating himself from Dame until he cut ties completely, then he kept the relevant State Prop artists and Kanye with him on Def Jam.

EDIT: Instead of being cryptic, Jay still helps every member of State Prop eat, especially Young Chris and Freeway, but he looks out for all of them. I know this for a fact. I know that Jay hooked Chris up with Puff for MMM for him to ghostwrite for him which helped Chris out big time. I know that Jay does this all very quietly, along with plenty of charity that he doesn't care if people know about.

Jay also did a lot for Meek, gave him serious guap while Meek was in jail. Continues to look out for all of the Philly dudes. Jay has a weird affinity for Philly man.
 
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How old are you dumbass? Death Row was the most powerful rap record label in '96. 'Pac ran Dre out of the company Dre CO-OWNED. fukk out here you p*ssymouth :camby:
Death Row was selling the most records, but the record label wasn't power enough to shut down every rappers the record label had problems with. No, Dre wasn't chased out of the label because of Pac. Dre left the label because he was sick and tired of the negativity that was going on in Death Row.
 

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So you need it to come out in a book first so you can believe it?God knows you was citing excerpts from one of the biggest liars in the game PRODIGY just a week ago,when it fit your narrative of course:sas1:

What more details do you need?Funny you don't demand more details when shyt benefits your perspective:mjlol:
do you comprehend or what?
i never said i need a book to believe it I only said when pressed the only answer was I'm a save that for later maybe when I write a book

I don't cosign the prodigy excerpt because it's prodigy i cosign because I heard that story over and over and over back in the days


You think Dilla and his people gon bring up names of 2 living people who could easily deny the story if its a lie?They mention Busta not being sure about being on it because it was a Pac diss,Nas confirms Biggie wanted him to team up against Pac.....You think its just a coincidence Nas and Dilla both making up the same stories?How the hell does it benefit either of them to make this shyt up:childplease:?Put two and two together if you can,Nas decided he aint want to be on it,and suddenly Biggie decides to go back to being mr positivity again and not do this diss,seems he wasn't as confident without Nas to back em up:sas1:

this is where you sound utterly ridiculous with your fabrications nonsense

Dilla story is a strictly about Busta and Biggie doing this track and after Biggie laid down his vocals Busta was like 'whoa, im not sure if i want be in the middle of this'

Nas story is aka version is a bit different and I'll give him a pass cause most likely he was over exaggerating for theatrical purposes with the whole Biggie calling him and everybody in the studio being nervous and insinuating that Biggie needed his authorization or some shyt

most likely the real story is they previously talked about doing something together at Pac on some real lite shyt and this one time that Dilla Busta & Biggie was in the studio Big laced his verse and call Nas up and said yo do you want to come down to get on this..... and the reason Nas not jumping on this something we problaly will never really know

BTW
- more evidence to prove ducktails on Nas vs Dilla
Nas interview says Biggie was in Miami recording LAD
Dilla said pacifically Biggie was in New York/New Jersey because he couldnt get to the studio (everybody knows he didnt know how to drive) so Lil Kim had to pick him up and they went on a date some Chinese food shyt before she dropped him at the studio
:mjlol:











full


u may think; but u cant spin ur way outta this -breh
 

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Death Row was selling the most records, but the record label wasn't power enough to shut down every rappers the record label had problems with. No, Dre wasn't chased out of the label because of Pac. Dre left the label because he was sick and tired of the negativity that was going on in Death Row.
:mjlol: he was sick and tired of being snaked by Suge's shady way of business. You mean to tell me the man that was apart of the most "Dangerous group of all time" NWA was tired of the negativity surrounding DR? :comeon: I also think Dre didn't like Pac's personality and all the attention he got too, but that's just my theory.
 

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I don't cosign the prodigy excerpt because it's prodigy i cosign because I heard that story over and over and over back in the days
breh you cosign Prodigy's book because you have bias towards Pac. P says Pac started beef with Big for record sales, your goat and his camp said the same thing so you're obviously gonna believe it. There's no proof of what P was saying because E money bagz, Pac, Stretch are all dead

 

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"[Biggie] called me. He said, 'Let's get together.' He said that everyone was a little nervous about it, but he was calling me about getting busy," Nas

:laff::laff::laff::laff: Biggie was scared to go against the gawd :camby::umad:


:mindblown::mindblown::mindblown:

why these nikkaz so stupid - claiming biggie was neverous & scared when he fukkING AREADY LACED THE PAC DISS FOR DILLA

:mindblown::mindblown::mindblown:




breh you cosign Prodigy's book because you have bias towards Pac. P says Pac started beef with Big for record sales, your goat and his camp said the same thing so you're obviously gonna believe it. There's no proof of what P was saying because E money bagz, Pac, Stretch are all dead

i cosign it cause that what was said back then
and when i bring up this (NONE) of u pac headz can answer....

why go after biggie
when every person close to the situation said ( pac knew biggie had nothing to do with quad )
 

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:yeshrug: clef said it wasnt a pac diss


take the word of a notorious scam artist brehs.




H. Fatal had said that Jays name was removed cause Jay was neutral and I think the DP video was released before AEOM.

So I don't know why he changed his mind later on, perhaps it was cause Jay had a gold single, a gold album and was a bigger player in NY by the time 7DT was recorded.



because more happened since then.

that fatal couldnt even vouch for.


I've spoken with plenty of inside sources who vehemently deny this. Sources who are close with Jay and have been for 10-15 years and say that Jay still looks out for them on the low.

Dame pulled the snake shyt when Jay was away on vacation and Jay cut him off. Jay NEVER fukked with Cam, while Jay was on vacation with Beyonce he finds out through a magazine interview that Dame named Cam VP of Rocafella. THAT is fake. Dame kept going overboard with shyt like this, while already having a reputation for shyt like this. That's why Jay became even closer with State Prop and kept separating himself from Dame until he cut ties completely, then he kept the relevant State Prop artists and Kanye with him on Def Jam.

EDIT: Instead of being cryptic, Jay still helps every member of State Prop eat, especially Young Chris and Freeway, but he looks out for all of them. I know this for a fact. I know that Jay hooked Chris up with Puff for MMM for him to ghostwrite for him which helped Chris out big time. I know that Jay does this all very quietly, along with plenty of charity that he doesn't care if people know about.

Jay also did a lot for Meek, gave him serious guap while Meek was in jail. Continues to look out for all of the Philly dudes. Jay has a weird affinity for Philly man.



lol @ this fluff-piece.

theres so much wrong with this post breh.
 
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