How did the Pac/Jay Z beef get started?

[kingofnyc]

take the word of a notorious scam artist brehs.

fair enough - i aint gonna question anybody who takes clef as a somewhat deceitful individual

BUT, with that said....

u have to look at pac in the same light - everybody on record affiliated with his quad shooting - agrees that pac knew biggie had nothing to do with it YET pac ran with it till his very last day on earth

real talk

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

fair enough - i aint gonna question anybody who takes clef as a somewhat deceitful individual

BUT, with that said....

u have to look at pac in the same light - everybody on record affiliated with his quad shooting - agrees that pac knew biggie had nothing to do with it YET pac ran with it till his very last day on earth

real talk

Did Pac even mention Big on his last album(Makaveli)?

Even on the "Realest shyt I ever wrote" /Against All Odds, he never mentioned Big.


And really, it's all theory.It's not really set in stone whether Big knew Pac was about to get robbed or not.

It's all a bunch of 2nd hand information now.

 

[kingofnyc]

Did Pac even mention Big on his last album(Makaveli)?

Even on the "Realest shyt I ever wrote" /Against All Odds, he never mentioned Big.


And really, it's all theory.It's not really set in stone whether Big knew Pac was about to get robbed or not.

It's all a bunch of 2nd hand information now.

NO
regardless of it being 2nd hand info now - it was 1st hand info back then

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

NO
regardless of it being 2nd hand info now - it was 1st hand info back then

If you take it as that.

Niccaz had to protect their own interest.

I take it all with a grain of salt.

Biggie was small.

Henchmen..Jacque...Even beyond them.The rabbit hole runs deep in this case


I still think Pac going at Big was his way of fukking with Bad Boy/the niccaz behind the scenes.

His "beef" with Big tapered off towards the end of his life.

Once he finally started to established himself at Death Row, with Suge/MOB Piru behind him, I think he finally felt emboldened enough to go directly at Henchmen.

His focus had changed towards the end.I don't think the Biggie "beef" meant much to him by that time.

 

[kingofnyc]

If you take it as that.

Niccaz had to protect their own interest.

I take it all with a grain of salt.

Biggie was small.

Henchmen..Jacque...Even beyond them.The rabbit hole runs deep in this case


I still think Pac going at Big was his way of fukking with Bad Boy/the niccaz behind the scenes.

His "beef" with Big tapered off towards the end of his life.

Once he finally started to established himself at Death Row, with Suge/MOB Piru behind him, I think he finally felt emboldened enough to go directly at Henchmen.

His focus had changed towards the end.I don't think the Biggie "beef" meant much to him by that time.

1. biggie wasnt small- biggie was the main sole reason to start beef with dissing hench & jac wasnt gonna sell records


2. when he became establish then superstar it really was no reason to continue with biggie this ... biggie that ...

his evil plan worked out perfectly



real talk !

 

[Harry B]

If you take it as that.

Niccaz had to protect their own interest.

I take it all with a grain of salt.

Biggie was small.

Henchmen..Jacque...Even beyond them.The rabbit hole runs deep in this case


I still think Pac going at Big was his way of fukking with Bad Boy/the niccaz behind the scenes.

His "beef" with Big tapered off towards the end of his life.

Once he finally started to established himself at Death Row, with Suge/MOB Piru behind him, I think he finally felt emboldened enough to go directly at Henchmen.

His focus had changed towards the end.I don't think the Biggie "beef" meant much to him by that time.

He was still going hard at Puff on the album.

Consider the fact that Big completely ignored Pac, even trolled him on RD. Taking Pacs angry and loud diss towards Bigs family and turning it into a joke and laughing.

I think Pac realized that he was starting to look corny by dissing Big. Dudes only remember the songs, Google all the interviews about Pac saying that he was nicer than Big cause he was moving platinum faster than Big and shyt like that. A bunch of nonsense. But then again Pac was a young dude, it amazes me that people in their 30s still can't see that a lot of shyt was just immature rap shyt.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

1. biggie wasnt small- biggie was the main sole reason to start beef with dissing hench & jac wasnt gonna sell records


2. when he became establish then superstar it really was no reason to continue with biggie this ... biggie that ...

his evil plan worked out perfectly



real talk !

 

[Knicksman20]

I remember this

 

[Still Benefited]

do you comprehend or what?
i never said i need a book to believe it I only said when pressed the only answer was I'm a save that for later maybe when I write a book

I don't cosign the prodigy excerpt because it's prodigy i cosign because I heard that story over and over and over back in the days



this is where you sound utterly ridiculous with your fabrications nonsense

Dilla story is a strictly about Busta and Biggie doing this track and after Biggie laid down his vocals Busta was like 'whoa, im not sure if i want be in the middle of this'

Nas story is aka version is a bit different and I'll give him a pass cause most likely he was over exaggerating for theatrical purposes with the whole Biggie calling him and everybody in the studio being nervous and insinuating that Biggie needed his authorization or some shyt

most likely the real story is they previously talked about doing something together at Pac on some real lite shyt and this one time that Dilla Busta & Biggie was in the studio Big laced his verse and call Nas up and said yo do you want to come down to get on this..... and the reason Nas not jumping on this something we problaly will never really know

BTW
- more evidence to prove ducktails on Nas vs Dilla
Nas interview says Biggie was in Miami recording LAD
Dilla said pacifically Biggie was in New York/New Jersey because he couldnt get to the studio (everybody knows he didnt know how to drive) so Lil Kim had to pick him up and they went on a date some Chinese food shyt before she dropped him at the studio

u may think; but u cant spin ur way outta this -breh

So you admit Biggie did in fact talk about making a diss at Pac?but u just dont like the way Nas said it happened....so YOU,sumbody who definitley wasnt there decides to give your own detailed version of what probaly happened? And u talkin to me about spin? no need to spin shyt,ill believe the versions of people who were actually involved,you will continue to make up your own versions that make u feel better

The main point is Biggie was trying to form a fukk Pac coalition on a song and failed,bcuz nikkas aint want to get involved....As long as u admit that,thats all i need

 

[kingofnyc]

So you admit Biggie did in fact talk about making a diss at Pac?but u just dont like the way Nas said it happened....so YOU,sumbody who definitley wasnt there decides to give your own detailed version of what probaly happened? And u talkin to me about spin? no need to spin shyt,ill believe the versions of people who were actually involved,you will continue to make up your own versions that make u feel better

The main point is Biggie was trying to form a fukk Pac coalition on a song and failed,bcuz nikkas aint want to get involved....As long as u admit that,thats all i need

breh you can't spin this topic

so now you resort to try to moving the goalposts you ask whether or not i believe biggie n nas talked about doing a diss song when have I ever denied that? and yes I don't believe in nas version of the story because again for the millionth time when he did that XXL interview and 1st brought this whole topic up outta the blue (the interviewer asked for details – nas pauses stutters and says I'll got to get back to you with that or I may save it for later if I decide to do a book) I've been saying this to you over and over and over and get you still refuse to even address is part of that interview which is the most important



so what u dont like my version, i started it with the words 'most likely... ' not on some 'this is what exactly...' again I think it was on some light casual shyt when the 2 crossed paths and the topic of dissing pac came up but I understand most of yall pac headz want everything in the fukking world to revolve around him





you seriously gotta be joking if you think biggie was trying to form a coalition to get at pac

where do you come up with this type of fukkery what the hell is going on in your head to make you post shyt like this
seems like all you do is take a anti-biggie story & search for something to cosign it unfortunately you continually fail because the only part of nas story you care about is the insinuating of 'please nas let's do this diss together' and him being so-called scared or nervous etc. etc. unfortunately for you dilla version is absolutely nothing like that
its the same bullshyt you attempted to pulled with the cormega ridiculous comment and had the audacity to say lil cease cosign it

breh STOP IT

 

[Big Boss]

I've spoken with plenty of inside sources who vehemently deny this. Sources who are close with Jay and have been for 10-15 years and say that Jay still looks out for them on the low.

Dame pulled the snake shyt when Jay was away on vacation and Jay cut him off. Jay NEVER fukked with Cam, while Jay was on vacation with Beyonce he finds out through a magazine interview that Dame named Cam VP of Rocafella. THAT is fake. Dame kept going overboard with shyt like this, while already having a reputation for shyt like this. That's why Jay became even closer with State Prop and kept separating himself from Dame until he cut ties completely, then he kept the relevant State Prop artists and Kanye with him on Def Jam.

EDIT: Instead of being cryptic, Jay still helps every member of State Prop eat, especially Young Chris and Freeway, but he looks out for all of them. I know this for a fact. I know that Jay hooked Chris up with Puff for MMM for him to ghostwrite for him which helped Chris out big time. I know that Jay does this all very quietly, along with plenty of charity that he doesn't care if people know about.

Jay also did a lot for Meek, gave him serious guap while Meek was in jail. Continues to look out for all of the Philly dudes. Jay has a weird affinity for Philly man.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I'm 35...Go back and listen to what Pac said. The fakeness was the main thing that got him started on everybody. Pac wasn't really phony though cause he never rapped about actually killing anybody doing legit dirt himself...That's what new rappers do.

Pac explained in that interview with Sway where biggie and them was doing the whole Mafioso thing and it was fake as hell and they was biting him

 

[havoc]

At the end of the day, the man who talked the most shyt is dead. Jay-z living the heavenly life as a legendary rapper with a successful rap career.

 

[pointproven214]

At the end of the day, the man who talked the most shyt is dead. Jay-z living the heavenly life as a legendary rapper with a successful rap career.

and at the end of the day when jay-z dies and he will die eventually we will remember as a sucka in my book.

 

[havoc]

and at the end of the day when jay-z dies and he will die eventually we will remember as a sucka in my book.

The sucka won in life, fam. You can't take away what Jay has done in his rap career and on top of that, he has done great things with his charity.