How did the Pac/Jay Z beef get started?

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Jay Z has always been fake. Please don't believe none of his drug shyt. If anything he was a corner boy. Nothing big.


Jay's actually far from fake. He's had dudes that don't even fukk with him vouch for his hustling days, not to mention all those videos before he got signed were funded by him, Dame, and Biggs. I'm sure he does embellish, just like every other rapper, musician, writer, shyt just about everyone who's ever lived that has told any kind of story does.

Plus he still stands by all his real homies growing up and from the Roc days, emphasis on REAL. I know he still shows a lot of love to Young Chris and Free the only ones who never dissed him. He also puts together shows for them on the low, well he put them in contact with Live Nation to organize the shows for them, and had Live Nation set up that State Prop reunion tour, which eventually did shows all around the country. He had them out for the Tidal B-Side concert. And he hooked Chris up with Puff earlier this year to ghostwrite for him. He still takes care of Bleek, Ty Ty, and Emory to name a few, not to mention all the charitable shyt he does on the low.

It's all scorned ex business partners and workers that say he's fake, but they completely overlook all the shyt they did to him and just expect him to treat them as charity cases and keep feeding them cause he's still getting richer.

I know a bunch of dudes in the Stagehands union in Philly who worked a bunch of his concerts here, and everyone of them from all the different shows said he comes around while they're setting up and chops it up with them, thanks them, has a good lunch set up for the whole crew. He's def got an arrogant prick side to him, but he's not this evil soulless dude that a lot of people make him out to be, I've heard first hand stories about him doing a lot of good, and a good bit of them are from people who didn't like him.
 
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Whoever wants to believe all that dissin' shyt was justified, cool... but just know that out of his own mouth, Pac was goin' at certain nikkas just for being affiliated with or makin' music with Bad Boy. Said it himself. All that Jay-Z shyt, all the Nas shyt, all the Mobb Deep shyt... all because they were affiliated with nikkas he didn't like, namely BIG, Puff, and Dre. Sounds pretty :umad:to me... guarantee you, none of it woulda stuck, and by the time he was off Death Row, he'd have been cool with half the nikkas he was callin' out. It's only because he died that y'all think that shyt was real and legit.
Of course he was mad. See, this is how I know some of you are either kids or haven't experienced squat. This wasn't some internet beef where someone got emotional. This was a man who had been shot multiple times and had to deal with sneak disses and wild rumors while sitting in jail for a year. Yeah, he was mad. Who clowns that? Some people, man.
 
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Jay's actually far from fake. He's had dudes that don't even fukk with him vouch for his hustling days, not to mention all those videos before he got signed were funded by him, Dame, and Biggs. I'm sure he does embellish, just like every other rapper, musician, writer, shyt just about everyone who's ever lived that has told any kind of story does.

Plus he still stands by all his real homies growing up and from the Roc days, emphasis on REAL. I know he still shows a lot of love to Young Chris and Free the only ones who never dissed him. He also puts together shows for them on the low, well he put them in contact with Live Nation to organize the shows for them, and had Live Nation set up that State Prop reunion tour, which eventually did shows all around the country. He had them out for the Tidal B-Side concert. And he hooked Chris up with Puff earlier this year to ghostwrite for him. He still takes care of Bleek, Ty Ty, and Emory to name a few, not to mention all the charitable shyt he does on the low.

It's all scorned ex business partners and workers that say he's fake, but they completely overlook all the shyt they did to him and just expect him to treat them as charity cases and keep feeding them cause he's still getting richer.

I know a bunch of dudes in the Stagehands union in Philly who worked a bunch of his concerts here, and everyone of them from all the different shows said he comes around while they're setting up and chops it up with them, thanks them, has a good lunch set up for the whole crew. He's def got an arrogant prick side to him, but he's not this evil soulless dude that a lot of people make him out to be, I've heard first hand stories about him doing a lot of good, and a good bit of them are from people who didn't like him.
Couldn't have said it any better.
 

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First off big did not diss pac direclty was cause he did not hustle backwards like pac

2nd pac was an attention whore, who lost it once he got raped in jail.

Does not mean he was not a great rapper.

Does not mean jay z would not have killed him back if he came up with wack ass diss like hit em up which only high school kids apprecate

I don't think dissing Pac would've been hustling backwards, as we saw later with Nas and Jay, a good beef can be incredible for a rap career and the bottom line.

Can you explain why you think Big dissing Pac directly would've been hustling backwards?

EDIT: In regards to Hit Em Up, it's funny that you say that, in high school that shyt got me hypppe, then I didn't listen to it for a long time, I ran it back a few months ago, and I couldn't believe how underwhelming it was to me at this point.
 

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I don't think dissing Pac would've been hustling backwards, as we saw later with Nas and Jay, a good beef can be incredible for a rap career and the bottom line.

Can you explain why you think Big dissing Pac directly would've been hustling backwards?

EDIT: In regards to Hit Em Up, it's funny that you say that, in high school that shyt got me hypppe, then I didn't listen to it for a long time, I ran it back a few months ago, and I couldn't believe how underwhelming it was to me at this point.

because biggie said "Maniacs, put my name in raps, what part the. Game is that? Like they hustle backwards" :yeshrug:
 

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Of course he was mad. See, this is how I know some of you are either kids or haven't experienced squat. This wasn't some internet beef where someone got emotional. This was a man who had been shot multiple times and had to deal with sneak disses and wild rumors while sitting in jail for a year. Yeah, he was mad. Who clowns that? Some people, man.

I never said he didn't have a right to be infuriated about being set up and shot...

But spending a whole year lashing out at everybody except the nikkas who you know for a fact set you up... it's kinda like a girl who's bitter at every nikka in the world except for the one that broke her heart. :yeshrug:
 

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All of the rappers 'Pac went against in '96 were justified beefs. And the funny thing is, ALL of them were quiet and didn't say shyt on records or to his face. That's power. All they could do was do snide, sneak shyt and act like they weren't saying or meaning anything. I know which side I stand by; don't start any shyt, won't be any shyt.
 

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All of the rappers 'Pac went against in '96 were justified beefs. And the funny thing is, ALL of them were quiet and didn't say shyt on records or to his face. That's power. All they could do was do snide, sneak shyt and act like they weren't saying or meaning anything. I know which side I stand by; don't start any shyt, won't be any shyt.

Tupac had power? Breh are you mad? :russ::mjlol:
 

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All of the rappers 'Pac went against in '96 were justified beefs. And the funny thing is, ALL of them were quiet and didn't say shyt on records or to his face. That's power. All they could do was do snide, sneak shyt and act like they weren't saying or meaning anything. I know which side I stand by; don't start any shyt, won't be any shyt.

Jay was the only one mentioned who said Pac's name.
 

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How old are you dumbass? Death Row was the most powerful rap record label in '96. 'Pac ran Dre out of the company Dre CO-OWNED. fukk out here you p*ssymouth :camby:

Breh tupac was so power ful new york gangstas had him scared for his life and he was getting raped in jail and getting shot at like he was a nobody, stfu ass clown you know nothing
 

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All those NY cats wsre either sneak dissing or wanted to stand next to certain cats and affiliate themselves with certain cats just to get stripes.

All of them deserved to get dissed

Pac was a man who was shot, set up, left for dead and then mocked and dissed whjle he was at his lowest.

And then be emerges from my prison backed by the hottest label in rap

He could've left shyt alone true. But he had the heart of a warrior and even though he knew it would.lead to.hos death he went out like a warrior

Punking those b and c level rappers, checking NYs Kings, who clearly feared him in the physical form :ohlawd:

Calling out those drug dealers who had half of NY extorted and shook

The GOAT y'all..

There will.never be another
 

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Breh tupac was so power ful new york gangstas had him scared for his life and he was getting raped in jail and getting shot at like he was a nobody, stfu ass clown you know nothing

Your a complete dumbass. YOU don't know anything, everything you wrote in your post is a lie. If 'Pac wasn't powerful then what were Biggie, Puffy and Jay-Z in '96?! Again, how old are you? I saw the whole thing play out at the time it happened, you probably read about it from the revised East Coast hip hop rewriters.

Go fukk and then kill yourself before coming back in this thread with any slick talk you bytch made motherfukker.
 

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Breh u look up to an emotional ass nikka
I'm not talking emotion as in a nikka who cry alot
I'm talking bout emotion as in a nikka who can't control his emotions...which is why I said he deals with his emotions like a female
That extreme bipolarness of his shouldn't be celebrated but looked down on by any man that had a proper male figure in their lives
Factz onlt
Gosh way to make yourself sound like an idiot
 
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