How do you propose discussing immigration without sounding like a racist/nazi/xenophobe?

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Gladly, once you can explain to me how a legal framework will do anything if a country cannot enforce laws it already has, in your own words. IOW if I ask you a question, telling me to go read a 600+ page book is not an answer. If that were truly a prerequisite for participation seems pretty stupid to have waited until now to say so.

I already explained how that for a country with little rule law the best place to start is by starting at international agreements relating to commerce, those are easiest to change because the pressure is coming from abroad not just local

I said you can read the book if you want further explanation, but the bottom line is that legal frameworks of the English colonies were more based on the rule of law and on power balance then the spanish colonies and that explains why the British colonies eventually became richer financially and militarily

So again if you have some other theory as to how the English colonies overtook the richer and more resource heavy Spanish colonies then feel free to offer your alternate theory


also feel free to explain your non amnesty suggestion as to what to do with 11 million illegal aliens
 

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I already explained how that for a country with little rule law the best place to start is by starting at international agreements relating to commerce, those are easiest to change because the pressure is coming from abroad not just local

I said you can read the book if you want further explanation, but the bottom line is that legal frameworks of the English colonies were more based on the rule of law and on power balance then the spanish colonies and that explains why the British colonies eventually became richer financially and militarily

So again if you have some other theory as to how the English colonies overtook the richer and more resource heavy Spanish colonies then feel free to offer your alternate theory


also feel free to explain your non amnesty suggestion as to what to do with 11 million illegal aliens
Lol u still haven't explained how laws that a country can't enforce will ever be effective. Murder is illegal in Chicago and Baltimore and yet they have spiked this year. What "legal framework" do you propose to solve them and when has such a strategy ever worked? More laws can't combat a crisis of lawlessness, which is caused by things that have nothing to do with "legal frameworks".
 

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Lol u still haven't explained how laws that a country can't enforce will ever be effective. Murder is illegal in Chicago and Baltimore and yet they have spiked this year. What "legal framework" do you propose to solve them and when has such a strategy ever worked? More laws can't combat a crisis of lawlessness, which is caused by things that have nothing to do with "legal frameworks".

But changing the legal framework and increasing the rule of law doesn't equate to more laws, in fact it doesn't require any changes in law

It does require changing the minds of the people who are in charge or putting new people in charge

The rule of law isn't just about enforcement, it's also about the respect of individual rights and the consent of the population to be governed

So solving wide spread murder in Central America or Baltimore does not require new laws

Your ignorance of basic economic and human development is why you have no ideas and no solutions and have just filled this thread with verbal diarrhea
 

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But changing the legal framework and increasing the rule of law doesn't equate to more laws, in fact it doesn't require any changes in law

It does require changing the minds of the people who are in charge or putting new people in charge

The rule of law isn't just about enforcement, it's also about the respect of individual rights and the consent of the population to be governed

So solving wide spread murder in Central America or Baltimore does not require new laws

Your ignorance of basic economic and human development is why you have no ideas and no solutions and have just filled this thread with verbal diarrhea
:yawn: My posts have been clear and to the point, which still stands. Not going to repeat myself anymore, it's clear you're not listening.
 

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:yawn: My posts have been clear and to the point, which still stands. Not going to repeat myself anymore, it's clear you're not listening.

i agree that your posts have been clear and to the point, you informed us of the astounding fact that the reason why people immigrate is because of bad economies and crime in their countries and you have no real ideas on how to deal with the problem

did i miss something?
 

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No, the solution to illegal immigration is the elimination of the incentive to illegally immigrate. Again, political stability and economic opportunity can't just be written into law. We can't do it here, no way can they do that in conflict torn 3rd world countries.

Your stance is about as silly as saying the key to reducing crime is to make punishments tougher. Someone willing to kill somebody or sell drugs doesn't give a fukk about the law, regardless of how tough they are. Similarly an migrant looking for better opportunities doesn't give a shyt what barriers are in the way.
So...if no one takes accountability then?
 

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All this talk about mexico being a shytty country, but im guessin pointing to their largest gold reserves and huge chunks of land being forcefully removed by america is digging too far in the past right?

How about the PROVEN cia involvement in the creation of the mexican intelligence agencies which employed known assets that in turn provided full support, transport and govt identification to mexican drug cartels?

How about fukk nationalism in regards to a recently stolen country built on the bodies of natives, which then sought instability, control and destruction of the neighbors which bared witness to its grotesque creation?

Too far in the past for you? Well then fukk you and deal with the consequences you basic minded inhumane a$$holes
When geopolitics are at play, its big bank vs little bank.

And if a smaller/less powerful nation isn't willing to resist outside influence and float on their own, then ultimately its the responsibility of that same nation to chart its own history.

Those things happened to mexico because Mexico let it happen
 

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When geopolitics are at play, its big bank vs little bank.

And if a smaller/less powerful nation isn't willing to resist outside influence and float on their own, then ultimately its the responsibility of that same nation to chart its own history.

Those things happened to mexico because Mexico let it happen
Right so if a brolic psycopath smashes a childs jaw in and takes everything he owns of value then the child let it happen
 

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Right so if a brolic psycopath smashes a childs jaw in and takes everything he owns of value then the child let it happen

mexico just like the united states, was a racist european colony that engaged in slavery and genocide, they are the same people

there is no reason why any black person should give 2 fuks that descendants of english colonists stole land from descendants of spanish colonists
 
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By Robert J. Samuelson October 18 at 7:54 PM


We have all manner of policy proposals from the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates, but there’s a sobering disconnect between what they’re advocating and the large problems the country faces. The candidates seem caught in a time warp. Democrats plug new entitlements (college subsidies, paid family leave). Republicans embrace tax cuts. All this is familiar; it’s also a flight from reality.

Whoever wins next November will inherit three major domestic problems that, though obvious, are downplayed because the politics are so unfavorable. (I’m excluding foreign policy and climate change.) Together, these three realities will go a long way toward defining the United States in the 21st century.

Robert J. Samuelson writes a weekly column on economics. View Archive
First, we are an aging society. “The number of people aged 65 or older is expected to increase by 76 percent between now and 2040,” says the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). The 65-and-over share of the total population has already expanded. It’s now 15 percent, up from 11 percent in 1980. By 2040, it’s projected to be 22 percent.

Inevitably, the costs of Social Security, Medicare (federal health insurance for the elderly) and nursing home care under Medicaid (a federal-state insurance program for the poor) will grow dramatically. From 1965 to 2014, spending on Social Security and the major federal health care programs averaged 6.5 percent of the economy (gross domestic product). By 2040, the CBO projects this spending to exceed 14 percent of GDP.

If we do not trim Social Security and Medicare spending — by slowly raising eligibility ages, cutting benefits and increasing premiums for wealthier recipients — we face savage cuts in other government programs, much higher taxes, bigger deficits or all three.


Second, the United States is an immigrant society. And it’s not mainly the 11 million undocumented immigrants. They constitute only a quarter of today’s 45 million immigrants, reports a Pew study. Add in immigrants’ children and grandchildren (many born in the United States), and the total comes to 72 million, representing about half of U.S population growth since 1965.

The need here is for immigrants to assimilate: to become middle-class and to see themselves mainly as Americans. Although that’s happening, the process obviously is incomplete. Many skilled and hardworking immigrants are a boon to the economy and have moved into the mainstream. But it’s been tougher for the unskilled. In 2014, almost 24 percent of Hispanics lived below the government’s poverty line.

Unless we curb immigration of the unskilled, we will never make much progress against poverty. Note: From 1990 to 2014, the number of people below the government’s poverty line rose by 13.1 million. Slightly more than half the increase (7.1 million) occurred among Hispanics.


Third, U.S. economic growth has slowed sharply. Since World War II, annual growth has averaged 3 percent to 4 percent. Now it’s about 2 percent. Some of the slowdown reflects the exit of retiring baby boomers from the labor force, but the rest is a mystery. Lagging technological progress? A Great Recession hangover?

Whatever the cause, there is no guaranteed fix. Weaker economic growth means weaker gains in wages, salaries and tax collections. It’s harder to pay Social Security benefits, boost immigrants into the middle class, finance other public goals and satisfy the mass yearning for higher living standards. To cite a cliche: There will be more claimants for an economic pie that will be expanding more slowly.

A farsighted society would focus laserlike on these big problems with their huge implications for the future. Accommodations seem possible.

Take immigration. To give assimilation time to succeed, the country needs to limit unskilled immigrants. A grand bargain would include the gradual legalization of most of today’s undocumented workers in exchange for better border security, mandatory employer verification of worker status and curbs on legal immigration. But many Republicans reject this bargain; worse, Donald Trump has vilified immigrants as a class with his unworkable and inhumane proposal to repatriate all undocumented immigrants.


Meanwhile, Democrats show no interest in limiting the growth of Social Security and Medicare. Indeed, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders think Social Security should be expanded. Even if increases were backed by new taxes, they would aggravate the government’s spending bias in favor of the elderly and away from everything else.

Elections are not just about who wins. They also measure and shape public opinion. But if we don’t candidly discuss big issues — because the choices are too unpopular — then we forfeit the opportunity to forge a crude consensus. How can democratic government act without some backing of public opinion?

We are ignoring large social realities because they are so contentious. There’s a conflict between what matters for the country and what works for the candidates. The result is that campaigns routinely fail as change agents, and we sacrifice some of our capacity to control our future.

Read more from Robert Samuelson’s archive.
 
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