How does Black income inequality change the importance of The Talented Tenth?

[Gritsngravy]

I guess the question here is, what's the mission of the Talented Tenth?

To follow on, how many members of the talented tenth agree with the mission?

And of those that agree, how many are in a position to effect the mission?

I've personally thought that a Henry Ford/Michael Dell figure was needed, in fact dozens of industrialists.
The only way to bring the Black mass up - was to operate like a global multi-national.

As I've grown up, I've made my few little dollars doing white collar work - but the cats that were really getting it - they doing land deals and government contracting. On the one hand, hiring some black folks to renovate a house is cool, and putting on some lawyers and accountants to do the govt deals is nice - but it's not Bezos nice - where you got states giving all types of benefits and deals to bring your business...

From what you saying lowkey that’s why I’ve been pondering on the fact that black American industrialists wherever they may be need to somehow get in on africa

And this is also why black folks need to go even harder on higher education, I know it’s a joke to some and they don’t see the vision but we need them skilled workers, that’s how you gain power as a small group

 

[get these nets]

Reagonomics.

This country is getting worse and worse for poor and Middle class people who are trying to do it on their own.

There is no safety net in America so it can keep getting worse until someone hits rock bottom, but if you can find a good opportunity to sacrifice independence in order to work together a great amount of wealth can be made. That’s how Mexicans and other groups of people do it: multiple families to a single home, pay it off and keep it moving.

Most Americans are sometimes too independent and lose the fact there’s an insane amount of strength in numbers. You got to find a group of trustworthy people (family ideally) and build from there. Problem is a lot of people don’t want to share a house because they want independence and to be a boss or they run into a grifter /conman that wipes them out. That’s why family got to be tight and is safer. Families living with each other is actually insanely popular in other cultures and saves a lot of money.

I grew up with kids who were in the last wave of The Great Migration, and some of their families did it.
More out of necessity than anything, similar to the circumstances for immigrants.

A generation + up North, or a generation + raised in America and people don't want to live on top of each other when they grow up and start working.

 

[WIA20XX]

From what you saying lowkey that’s why I’ve been pondering on the fact that black American industrialists wherever they may be need to somehow get in on africa

Yeah, but for the fact that the elites in most of 3rd world, Africa included, get mentally captured.
They want Benz, BMW, and Ferrari
Their wives want Chanel and Gucci
Their children are sent to European schools
Foreigners - Chinese, Euro, American, Arab - cozy up to them and give them money for "defense against terrorists", "green wall of Africa", "development"

^and when the population sees this, the leader of the military stages a coup. And the cycle repeats itself.

It's why there's so much excitement for Ibrahim, imo.

There's a whole lot of political science here, along with economics, sociology, history, and philosophy - but it's those less lucrative fields that do a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of explaining why Black people the world over can't seem to take advantage of our own damn resources - be they natural (like oil and gas, or beautiful scenery) or intellectual (like music0

And this is also why black folks need to go even harder on higher education, I know it’s a joke to some and they don’t see the vision but we need them skilled workers, that’s how you gain power as a small group

You could make that argument, but when's the last time you called Patel the Plumber or Nguyen the Electrician?

The Asians have smaller #'s than ours, but decided to double down on the education to high income pipeline.

If we're being frank, Corporate America does not like the Indians (Indian Americans and Indians from India), yet they lie and cheat bully their way into Medicine, Science and Tech. I've been in classes with these dummies. I used to tutor Korean cats in Calculus 2 and 3 back in my university days.

They then make the big dollars and go live with white people (and make white people leave because the schools are TOO competitive for white kids)

In any event, the Black Economic Revolution starts small.

 

[BigMan]

I grew up with kids who were in the last wave of The Great Migration, and some of their families did it.
More out of necessity than anything, similar to the circumstances for immigrants.

A generation + up North, or a generation + raised in America and people don't want to live on top of each other when they grow up and start working.

Unfortunately I think abuse and trauma play a huge role in weakening of family households

 

[Yinny]

Sub to take in when I’m at my computer thanks for the tag

 

[Gritsngravy]

Yeah, but for the fact that the elites in most of 3rd world, Africa included, get mentally captured.
They want Benz, BMW, and Ferrari
Their wives want Chanel and Gucci
Their children are sent to European schools
Foreigners - Chinese, Euro, American, Arab - cozy up to them and give them money for "defense against terrorists", "green wall of Africa", "development"

^and when the population sees this, the leader of the military stages a coup. And the cycle repeats itself.

It's why there's so much excitement for Ibrahim, imo.

There's a whole lot of political science here, along with economics, sociology, history, and philosophy - but it's those less lucrative fields that do a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of explaining why Black people the world over can't seem to take advantage of our own damn resources - be they natural (like oil and gas, or beautiful scenery) or intellectual (like music0



You could make that argument, but when's the last time you called Patel the Plumber or Nguyen the Electrician?

The Asians have smaller #'s than ours, but decided to double down on the education to high income pipeline.

If we're being frank, Corporate America does not like the Indians (Indian Americans and Indians from India), yet they lie and cheat bully their way into Medicine, Science and Tech. I've been in classes with these dummies. I used to tutor Korean cats in Calculus 2 and 3 back in my university days.

They then make the big dollars and go live with white people (and make white people leave because the schools are TOO competitive for white kids)

In any event, the Black Economic Revolution starts small.

I consider trades as higher education too but I see what you saying

My thing is if we going to really employ each other, have a global presence, really stand tall as a community we need them engineering firms, we need them law firms, we need them scientists for agriculture and medicine etc., we need historians mathematicians linguistics etc. to teach our black children

I know it’s looking far ahead but that’s the ultimate goal in self sufficiency, and with these skills we can also “liberate” others

Really is hella professions out there and they all are connected one way or another so I think people should aim as high as possible

 

[TripleAgent]

Inverse correlation, huh? Explains a lot of the Boule class' moves and opinions. It also explain the candidates they push and why they're so obviously against anything that might actually improve the fortunes of the lower 75%.

Excellent graph (bc it proves me right).

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[get these nets]

Unfortunately I think abuse and trauma play a huge role in weakening of family households

I dont think separation is necessarily a weakening of family households. Plenty of our families are from rural backgrounds, migrants and immigrants alike.
Adjusting to urban metro centers, where there is less space and more people .

In ideal situation, family eventually purchases a multi-family or a compound. So that family is close, but not on top of each other.

The extended family is one of the greatest support networks Black people have, and it has to be adjusted to where we live in the modern era.

 

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[O.Red]

The talented tenth ideology failed just like pan africanism did

Shyt looks good in books and sounds good in speeches but when the rubber meets the road the results speak for themselves. Self interest is inevitable

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

I get it.

Trying to keep a vacation property that only gets used 1 season a year is very difficult.

The children of these parents just don't earn enough money to justify having a "summer" home.

Not only do you have to pay taxes, do maintenance, but you also need enough bread coming in so that you can "summer" - not work for 10-16 weeks out of the year.

So what's the real issue here? Like what could they have done?

It's the same issue with Granny selling her East Coast home (to help finance here retirement), to retire someplace cheap down South. And when the time comes, there's a down south property that nobody lives near and can't rent out.

Rather than blame the families, we gotta understand what's happening at a higher level.

Why do the parents need to leave the high cost of living area to move to a low cost of living area?
How come the kids can't hold the property?

It's not simply lack of will or desire or knowledge.

It's because the ones buying summer homes have lots of $$$ from their lucrative professions instead of deep, inherited multigenerational wealth.

Not many whites have that kind of scratch. Blacks even less since we're smaller in numbers in the U.S. and have had fewer chances to amass those kinds of fortunes.

 

[HarlemHottie]

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Cliffs?

 

[Apollo Creed]

The talented tenth ideology failed just like pan africanism did

Shyt looks good in books and sounds good in speeches but when the rubber meets the road the results speak for themselves. Self interest is inevitable

Vanguards essentially believe a Benovolant Dictatorship of some sorts is.possible but the so.called black vanguard just consume white supremacy at scale

 

[WIA20XX]

Cliffs?

Per Chat GPT

Here’s a summary of the video ““Basic Black” Clergy Shall Not Inherit The Black Boule Elite Kingdom of Sigma Pi Phi” — key points + context:

• (07:46) The speaker explains that Sigma Pi Phi (the “Black Boule”) was founded in 1904 — not as a collegiate fraternity, but as a professional fraternity for Black men already established in their careers. Wikipedia+1
• Membership was intended for high-achieving professionals (physicians, certain lawyers, business people, educators, clergy, politicians) — individuals who had “arrived,” not those “finding their way.” (08:09–08:36)
• The host describes the Boule as a “Black professional elite private network” created at a time when Black professionals were excluded from white professional societies. (08:09–08:36)
• The organization had six founding members (doctors, pharmacists) — among them Henry McKee Minton. Wikipedia+1
• The Boule was built around several key goals: protecting Black professional excellence, building generational wealth and leadership continuity, creating social capital and class mobility, enabling political/economic influence, offering private protection and counsel (e.g., reputation management, mentorship/pipelines), and preserving cultural continuity among Black elites. (10:21–15:36)
• Membership is selectively exclusive — it’s not simply about wealth, but pedigree, social standing, and professional accomplishment*. The speaker argues that even wealthy Black clerics or mega-pastors aren’t necessarily welcomed; only certain “types” of clergy historically qualify. (17:07–18:43)
• The “benefits” of being in the Boule are often hidden — not flashy public displays or loud dedications, but access to executive networks, political and business influence, career sponsorship (e.g., using connections to get jobs/fellowships for younger relatives), professional pipelines, and multi-generational uplift. (26:23–31:30)
• The speaker emphasizes that the Boule isn’t an overt “secret society” in a conspiratorial sense; rather, it’s a private aristocratic network aimed at protecting and uplifting Black excellence — “a black professional aristocracy.” (33:47–34:46)
• He argues that membership is not guaranteed by money alone; wealth without pedigree or lineage doesn’t suffice. He suggests that social and familial alignment — e.g., marrying into pedigree — plays a role in sustaining status across generations. (55:35–1:02:26)
• Finally, the speaker implies there is a distinction between public Black fraternities or Greek-letter organizations (e.g. undergraduate groups) and the Boule — the Boule is framed as a behind-the-scenes network for mature professionals, not a “party” fraternity. (26:23–26:48)

Context & factual/cited background

• According to public records, Sigma Pi Phi is indeed the oldest Black Greek-letter professional fraternity, founded in Philadelphia in 1904. Wikipedia+2Sigma Pi Phi+2
• Its target membership is men who already hold professional/graduate-level credentials — not undergraduates. Emory News+1
• The Boule historically provided social, professional, and community networks — particularly at a time when Black professionals were shut out of white-dominated societies. Emory News+2Los Angeles Times+2

Observation
The video’s main thesis is that clergy or Black pastors — unless they meet a very specific elite-professional standard — may not qualify for “inheritance” into the Boule’s elite network. That is framed less as a racial exclusion and more as a gatekeeping of professional/social pedigree and elite status.

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*For my Kevin Samuels fans - this is what he was trying to say with his description of a "High Value Man". But most folks that hate on him, never been to college, never dealt with Greek set on a real level, much less any of this "Black Secret Society" stuff.