How does the coli feel about Swedish cacs creating algorithms to create hit songs.

[Oceanicpuppy]

No, now you're backtracking. You tried insinuate that black music has no rules whatsoever and that music without rules is the greatest form of music. You inviting little kids over to your home to smash random keys and sing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat"?

When it comes to what people are gonna like no it doesn't have rules. No one expected that jb two beat would create what we have today. What this group is doing is predicting hits through mathatical algorithm of so called " " hit" music and using "rules". They are saying if a,b,c,d and e are common elements in hit music then we can create computer generated hits and or perfect music. It's not about structure but more so the order in which you do it and personal creativity which you can not measure.

 

[Roid Jones]

I thought this was a known fact

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

As a producer I feel insulted by this what we do is a completely different thing to what a musician does. I still need to understand music theory not like I open up fruity loop studios and press random stuff and hope something sticks

Wrong post sorry breh.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

As a producer I feel insulted by this what we do is a completely different thing to what a musician does. I still need to understand music theory not like I open up fruity loop studios and press random stuff and hope something sticks

Not about structure, if music is purely structure in process a computer can do what you can do easily we don't need your services.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

This is advanced science of what has been happening for years

Hit songs are not accidents, stop being naive

Of course, they were called "The Hit Factory" for a reason it wasn't a secret they had in house everything.

but Motown was different in that they still went out and found the best singers and songwriters, their artists could still perform live music

Motown was also limited to just motown - they weren't spreading their "formula" throughout the entire industry. white artists couldn't just run up in their
studios and get a hit...that's for damn sure what's happening now.

Link?

- nah i bought my copy; pretty sure you can google and find it though

I thought this was a known fact

it's not. if consumers knew that only a handful of people were all working with Miley, Britney, Beyonce, The Weeknd, Beiber, Rihanna, Katy Perry; album and ticket sales would dwindle. They'd still be successful (because the masses are sheep), but not to the extent they are now.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

I think that's the point of pop music, muthaphuckas are just trying to get a hit record they ain't worried about sounding natural or organic.

you said it all right there...in that book i posted it credits this song right here for changing the whole industry:



^^^ the cats behind this song said exactly what you just did, lyrics, instruments, trying to overthink music and being "artsy" is bullshyt

just give people a dance track and a catchy hook; the label even said the hook was stupid and it is, because they didn't understand english - they were using the word "baby" like how we all our spouses "baby", they just didn't understand the context...

the success of this song (not the band) raised MANY eyebrows in the music industry and it's the formula they use today.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

you said it all right there...in that book i posted it credits this song right here for changing the whole industry:



^^^ the cats behind this song said exactly what you just did, lyrics, instruments, trying to overthink music and being "artsy" is bullshyt

just give people a dance track and a catchy hook;

the success of this song (not the band) raised MANY eyebrows in the music industry and it's the formula they use today.

The song is Trash and her vocals are trash. Sounds like she is singing through her nose and holding her breath. This why the music today sounds terrible.

 

[concise]

The idea that Black people are "naturally talented idiots" who don't have to put in work to hone their craft is literally one of White supremacies oldest stereotypes.

When it comes to what people are gonna like no it doesn't have rules. No one expected that jb two beat would create what we have today. What this group is doing is predicting hits through mathatical algorithm of so called " " hit" music and using "rules". They are saying if a,b,c,d and e are common elements in hit music then we can create computer generated hits and or perfect music. It's not about structure but more so the order in which you do it and personal creativity which you can not measure.

There is a reason why James Brown's nickname was "The Hardest Working Man in Show Business".

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

There is a reason why James Brown's nickname was "The Hardest Working Man in Show Business".

There is a reason why James Brown's nickname was "The Hardest Working Man in Show Business".

Ok then computers can make music then we don't need musician, singers, and producers. They are not needed. A computer can do what they do. Its cheaper too.

 

[dennis roadman]

Of course, they were called "The Hit Factory" for a reason it wasn't a secret they had in house everything.

but Motown was different in that they still went out and found the best singers and songwriters, their artists could still perform live music

Motown was also limited to just motown - they weren't spreading their "formula" throughout the entire industry. white artists couldn't just run up in their
studios and get a hit...that's for damn sure what's happening now.

i'm not saying this is the same as motown, nor that i like most big pop music today but it's the next logical step in an industry that has grown significantly since motown days. the formula they used was to make big songs, the great music that came out of it was a bonus, and is what's missing today

and you know that gordy wasn't the last black producer to make formulaic music. black artists have profited off of this too

if anything this speaks to neuropsychology and branding more than it does quality of music.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

i'm not saying this is the same as motown, nor that i like most big pop music today but it's the next logical step in an industry that has grown significantly since motown days. the formula they used was to make big songs, the great music that came out of it was a bonus, and is what's missing today

and you know that gordy wasn't the last black producer to make formulaic music. black artists have profited off of this too

if anything this speaks to neuropsychology and branding more than it does quality of music.

Then anyone can be a hit pop singer then if this is the case but it's not and music is not selling like it use to. So its failure in my mind. Trying to solely prepackaged music into a formula takes the artistic creativity out of the craft. The method is failing.

 

[GreenGhxst]

Emotions are not factored into it, so the algorithm is shyt, you can never factor the emotions in because emotions are intangible

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

Emotions are not factored into it, so the algorithm is shyt, you can never factor the emotions in because emotions are intangible

Yes its not taking into the account that music is an expression of the human experience and they think a computer can make that.

 

[dennis roadman]

Then anyone can be a hit pop singer then if this is the case but it's not and music is not selling like it use to. So its failure in my mind. Trying to solely prepackaged music into a formula takes the artistic creativity out of the craft. The method is failing.

people not buying music doesn't mean they're not listening. it means it's a lot easier to listen for free today.. that's something a hitmaking formula can't account for, nor is it meant to.

if the music that is bought is largely made by a group of people who follow a formula, how is it failing? they're just getting a piece of a smaller pie, but still the biggest piece.

 

[Ol’Otis]

The film industry starting to do the same thing
That's how Netflix creates its programming