Welp.....He is no longer even pretending not to be running interference for MAGA.
How has Jimmy Dore got away with pulling a Dennis Miller? Dude is basically MAGA now! What happened?!
- Thread starter Tony D'Amato
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stupid people deserve to be played.
So because Obama said that makes it true?
From no objective measure is Nixon "more liberal" than Obama. That's just ridiculous.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
what are the objective measures that show Obama is more liberal than Nixon?
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
What’s the metrics they used for this study?
Jimmy is a right wing op
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
The amount of followers he had is
And didn't Trump sign the law that made it criminal to mishandle documents?
Dore is disgusting. How can anyone compare Bill Maher to this shyt
Legislation they supported/helped to pass through Congress.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
I feel you, but I think we need more to show that.
I just know that Nixon created the EPA, advocated for universal health care, and almost got a version of UBI.
On a lot of major ticket items, Nixon was definitely to the left of every president in a while. Even looking at that chart, how was Obama more progressive than FDR? Jimmy Carter ushered in Neoliberal policies, yet he our most liberal president since WW2?
It just looks dubious until I see what the metrics were.
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
To be fair, Obama did not say Nixon was more liberal than him overall. He said, "in a lot of ways," then brought up his creation of the EPA and regulation as examples.
So far as I can tell that graph is meaningless - it merely tells you how partisan the president's support was, but does nothing to tell you how conservative/liberal their policies were. If the Democrats as a block move significantly in either direction (as they did in the 1990s) the chart doesn't show it because they're just measuring him against the positions of the rest of the party.
Nixon signed off on:
Creating the EPA
Creating SSI
Founding OSHA
Instituting the Clean Water Act
Instituting the Endangered Species Act
First president to enact Affirmative Action
First president to open relations with China
Unilaterally instituted wage and price controls
In what way did Obama match that record of liberal reforms?
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
That is very true.
But Obama was more in line with an 80s/90s moderate republican than someone like FDR.
Nixon signed off on those things but on many of them he was pushed to sign them by Congressional Democrats, environmental activists and so on. Nixon was a conservative, he wasn't a Reaganite but he was NOT a liberal by any means. In his own WH tape recordings, he states that very clearly. A "liberal Republican" back then was someone like Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javits, Prescott Bush (Bush 41's father), Raymond P. Shafer, Hugh Scott, Charles H. Percy, Mark Hatfield, Margaret Chase Smith, Edward Brooke, Lowell Weicker, etc.
Also, if you're counting Nixon's visit to China as a "liberal" accomplishment then does the Cuban Thaw and Obama's visit to Cuba count as a "liberal" accomplishment too?
Furthermore, Nixon's reason for signing some of those "liberal" policies was a political strategy not because he genuinely believed them. Nixon was a racist, do you think that he genuinely believed in "affirmative action"?