You could argue that AEOM was a bit of regression - and I've never thought about ranking his first two. But otherwise this is on point. I think MATW and 7DT could be equal as well - but I've never really considered comparing just the lyricism.
HOW in the hell was Pac better than Nas at rapping?
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You could argue that AEOM was a bit of regression - and I've never thought about ranking his first two. But otherwise this is on point. I think MATW and 7DT could be equal as well - but I've never really considered comparing just the lyricism.
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Seeds of heaven is easily a better display of lyricsm than any pac song.
Woulda Coulda Shoulda. All we can judge is what he recorded.
nikkas in New York suck at rapping? Do you hear yourself, New York nikkas created hip hop. Today New York isn't the same but the future looks bright, New York dominated hip hop longer than any other region IJS.
I didn't drop that line you did, I explained it because you didn't understand. You don't understand shyt, only that simple ass Pac shyt. You nitpick lines, and disregard entire verses. fukk is wrong with you breh?
If you don't see the influence of Illmatic your blind. Do you realize what NY and the East Coast was before Illmatic dropped? Illmatic has been sampled so much, and praised by artists of the past and artists of today. Illmatic was the first album to get 5 mics from The Source, in fact I can't find a single review under 9 out of 10 for the album.
Rakim was just as ill as Nas. And plenty of albums got 5 before Illmatic.
Still hugely influential album. Probably one of the 5 most influential albums in hip hop history.
Nobody gives a shyt about Twista's Resurrection. Literally, 99% of people don't know it exists.
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The flow is dope on that song. I've never heard it before. Honestly though, I can't understand half of what he's saying.
He's sacrificing substance for style. I can hear everything that Nas is saying on Illmatic. Its the perfect marriage of flow and substance (Jay on RD is the same to me - flows just perfect).
a few things...
A) you think I give a fukk what illmatic did for NY. So like I said, maybe there that shyt is all its hyped to be, but in the rest of the country that album is ass and had NO influence.
B) Lupe talks about IWW. Lupe is in my age group. We wasnt fukkin with illmatic, no one gave a fukc about it. IWW was another story. I like IWW.
C) Lil Kim got 5 mics. And the bullshyt magazines is partially what caused the East West shyt to pop off because of the EC bias. Lil Kim got 5 micsno one gives a fukc about mics. the album is trash.
The Lil Kim shyt happened 10 years later. Many years after nobody gave a shyt about the SOurce. It had credibility when Illmatic got five.
I already told you this in another thread. Why do you repeat shyt you know is wrong?
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
A. No. You obviously don't give a fukk about Illmatic. The albums stretches deep c'mon son, The Game a west coast dude recalls stealing Illmatic and says he was a Compton nikka with a NY State of Mind. Elzhi is from Detroit. Lupe is from Chicago. Pusha T is from Virginia, Wiz is from Pittsburgh. All guys that have been influenced/like Illmatic from all over the country.a few things...
A) you think I give a fukk what illmatic did for NY. So like I said, maybe there that shyt is all its hyped to be, but in the rest of the country that album is ass and had NO influence.
B) Lupe talks about IWW. Lupe is in my age group. We wasnt fukkin with illmatic, no one gave a fukc about it. IWW was another story. I like IWW.
C) Lil Kim got 5 mics. And the bullshyt magazines is partially what caused the East West shyt to pop off because of the EC bias. Lil Kim got 5 mics
B. Lupe loves IWW and Illmatic he's a huge Nas fan. He heard IWW first but after hearing Illmatic it became the "soundtrack of his life".
C. The Source wasn't that bad in '94. Lil Kim getting 5 mics was bad, but The Source wasn't the only magazine that gave Illmatic a perfect review. So did AllMusic, Mojo, Pitchfork Media, Enterntainment Weekly, USA Today. Illmatic got great reviews by just about all outlets gave it at least a 4 out of 5/9 out of 10. Even Robert Christgau who was opposed to violent rap gave the album a positive review.
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Killin fake hip hop
right... just like illmatic. See how you naS stans work? Imagine me running around talkin like either Resurrection was the most influential album of all time, when nobody actually has it. That would be pretty fukkin stupid.
But the POINT is that niccaz were rapping better than what you give naS credit for AT THE EXACT SAME TIME AND BEFORE naS CAME OUT.
So maybe he changed hip hop on his block where there was only weak niccaz rapping, but elsewhere, niccaz was ALREADY spittin. How you cant grasp the simplest things is beyond me.
Youre trying to argue that Jordan influenced Bird and Magic, and that makes no fukkin sense.
Dog - I'm giving you a pass - you don't have to reply everytime I mention Illmatic. I KNOW YOU THINK ITS TRASH. You've established that.
I'm talking to the others who acknowlege it as a great album, but maybe feel a Pac album is better.
Who else was spitting like Nas pre 1994? Before the two REsurrections dropped? 1993 and before.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
I know Rakim was ill. However Illmatic was the first album to get 5 mics from The Source.
This is how the people at the Source felt after hearing Illmatic for the first time months before its release.
Its about 9pm I get to the office and I gather all the heads in the conference room. I remember who was there: @matteoGlen [the twitter account of Matty C, then The Source's "Unsigned Hype" editor] @CeeWild [twitter account of Chris Wilder, another editor], @FrozenFiles [twitter account of Schott 'Free' Jacobs, another contemporary editor]. Everyone is nodding their heads, eyes wide, mouths open, its hip-hop paradise. We had a pretty shytty system in there but it didnt matter, I pop in the tape and the powerful musical magic emits from the speakers. When those funky/eerie/powerful xylophone notes from 'One Love' come on, I remember @FrozenFiles is literally lying on the floor He cant comprehend how good it is. None of us can. Its the best shyt weve heard in our lives Internally, we start debating how were gonna handle this. I say right away that its gotta get a 5.
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Then Me Against the World works for you
That quote is
But there were many albums to get 5 before Illmatic.
Albums that originally received five mics:
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm -- A Tribe Called Quest
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em -- Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted -- Ice Cube
One for All -- Brand Nubian
De La Soul Is Dead -- De La Soul
The Low End Theory -- A Tribe Called Quest
Illmatic -- Nas
Life After Death -- The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini -- Outkast
The Blueprint -- Jay-Z
Stillmatic -- Nas
The Fix -- Scarface
The Naked Truth -- Lil' Kim
Trill OG -- Bun B
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy -- Kanye West
Note that for three years before and after Illmatic - nobody gets a 5. These are 6 of the best years in hip hop. The Source was stingy as shyt in this period - but they had to give it up for Illmatic.
The Source (magazine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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