HOW in the hell was Pac better than Nas at rapping?
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Alexander Wiggin
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To me Illmatic is far above rd on terms of flow and lyrics, it just seems to be natural from Nas there not one word out of place on any songs. Jay he's much more irregular and some of his verse are average but I see what you mean.
one inspired people to be aware of sh1t going on in the hood that they basically already know is going on.
The other rapper did the same thing... but then occasionally hit you with the back-story, the illness as opposed the the symptoms.
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one rapper got you hyped up... ALL the time. even on slow emotional songs because he was so passionate.
The other rapper occasionally got you hype... but also motivated you to look up some sh1t he may have mentioned that you might not have originally knew... And if that wasn't enough, More so than the other rapper... This rapper inspired other rappers to Actually be more lyrical and step their game up.
Everyone likes pac, But rappers, especially East Coast rappers in the mecca of this genre, needed Nas to elevate the quality of rhyme schemes, stories, smoothness, and creativity.
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No naS in Joe Buttons or Skillz list... Joe said the only one he's sure of is Pac @ #1 ...
Joey Buttons I clowned him too much aparently
Joey depressed ass is Obviously more influenced by Nas. He a b*stard son of Nas. Nas influenced him and everyone he knows. ntm , look at his foolish behavior with women, lol...... Nas obviously affected that n1gga.
That quote is
But there were many albums to get 5 before Illmatic.
Albums that originally received five mics:
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm -- A Tribe Called Quest
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em -- Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted -- Ice Cube
One for All -- Brand Nubian
De La Soul Is Dead -- De La Soul
The Low End Theory -- A Tribe Called Quest
Illmatic -- Nas
Life After Death -- The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini -- Outkast
The Blueprint -- Jay-Z
Stillmatic -- Nas
The Fix -- Scarface
The Naked Truth -- Lil' Kim
Trill OG -- Bun B
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy -- Kanye West
Note that for three years before and after Illmatic - nobody gets a 5. These are 6 of the best years in hip hop. The Source was stingy as shyt in this period - but they had to give it up for Illmatic.
The Source (magazine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And anyone who thinks other wise.........
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My mouth dropped when I read this sh1t...
That's why I Stopped posting in the thread. Thread has credibility at this point
Both Kris Kross and Da Brat had some shyt. Despite being clones of ABC and Snoop. JD stay getting that derivative paper!
Both ain't legends though and don't belong listed with the others.
And we know, Brat ain't change rap.
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so you wasnt fukkin with pac at all when he was rappin? u couldn't hear that nikka hunger bruh? On 7day theory pac was on another level. I think dude woulda got way better, but to each his own.
I'm just showing how prolific Pac was with his pen game.
What took Nas 2 years to create, Pac did it in 3 days.
Not only that, many would argue he crafted his songs with more substance than Nas could ever dream of.
It comes to a point where it goes beyond the music and becomes more about the person.
The nikka that Nas projects himself to be in his music, Pac was that.
The people Nas read books about, Pac grew up with those people close quarterly.All that "intelligent black revolutionary" shyt, Pac was born into that element.He had a more intimate knowledge of that shyt than a Nas or even a KRS.What he understood at 13, Nas didn't get until he was 30 or some shyt.
You don't believe me, just do a google search on Afeni Shakur, Lumumba Shakur, Assata Shakur,and Mutulu Shakur.These are the people who helped mold the mind of a young Pac.
Pac didn't have to read it out a book to "gain knowledge".He experienced it first hand.You know what they say..Experience is the best teacher.Couple that with the lessons/ game his mom's was feeding into him...COTDAMN!!He was the very essence of that shyt.That's what nikkaz tend to overlook about Pac.
He was the real life manifestation of the nikka Nas dreams of being in his songs
Prolific just means you made a bunch of songs. Lil B is prolific. It doesn't have anything to do with quality.
The rest of what you talking about is irrelevant. We ain't judging who was the better person. We are talking rap.
But you can't say he wuznt capable if he wuznt trying to do it over the course of an album.....it can just mean he wuznt trying to do it over the course of an album lol....that's not who he is as an artist,he's not trying to flex how technical he can be.
And hiphop has expanded outside the east coast,technical complexity is probaly the most meaningless building block and as hiphop expanded outside of NY other regions proved that....I like a lyrical display as much as the next man but Crooked I can rap with and at his best rap circles around Nas but end of the day that's nice but meaningless in the grand scheme..
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That "technical" shyt is a building block for just about ANY east coast rapper since Rakim/Kool G Rap....all the clue tapes I use to own 90% of them could beast technically,that shyts just not that impressive to me depending on who's doin it,technical for the sake of technical is as big of a set back of hiphop as u may consider it a building block....technically quite a few nikkas can do what Nas did,and Nas really didn't do much Kool G rap hadn't already done from a technical level.....nikkas in here talkin about @inteelectualrecipricol is downplayin Nas when really I see a lot of his fans doing that.....by holding his technical lyricism up as if that's what puts him in goat convos....nah dude is actually a great artist when motivated and has managed to have great songs in his catalogue.....he just ain't fukin with Pac or Cube in that regard...you'll always have guyz like Skillz who downplay Pac who care about nuthing but the technical aspect
but what can I say I think his opinion is stupid and problay why he can't make songs people wanna hear more than once a year
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I agree with the argument that maybe that wasn't a goal of his (who really knows?). But don't try to argue both sides and claim he was capable of doing it over a whole album. Fact is - he didn't. That's all that matters. We are judging what they actually recorded.
Technical complexity is important to me. Meaningless to kids nowadays. You do need more than just that though. You're right. Nas was a whole lot more. He basically took two drastically different approaches to his content from album 1 to 2 and excelled in both.
Alexander Wiggin
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and at 16 nas was hangin with large pro, g rap, went to eric b & rakim studio session, met with freddie foxxx, and he grew up on qb home of juice crew and one of ny's most dangerous projects back then. Pac was dancing with digital underground at that time...
MooseMouthMthafuga
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No need to get all "technical" about it
You know what I'm getting at, breh
I guess you missed where I typed the word "substance" in conjunction with prolific?