HOW in the hell was Pac better than Nas at rapping?

[throughthefire]

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tupac better then shakespeare?? i'm pretty sure nas has never read a single of his work in his life lmao

 

[Flav]

Nas would obliterate Pac in a rap battle. You would have to be extremely delusional to think otherwise.

NO

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Both Kris Kross and Da Brat had some shyt. Despite being clones of ABC and Snoop. JD stay getting that derivative paper!

Both ain't legends though and don't belong listed with the others.

And we know, Brat ain't change rap.

I have to dap you on that cuz when I was listenin, I was like "this bytch sound like Snoop" But she did influence... you'll here her marquee adlib from the lips of Brooklyn's 2nd favorite son, "Baby, baby!!"

But I gotta disagree with Another Bad Creation, they was them singin ass nikkaz who sang Iesha. There was another group back in the day called Illegal, but they used to cuss n shyt while the Kris's made generally safe music for kids Jr high age even though we were listenin to hard shyt then too.

the point is niccaz was already doin what niccaz are givin nas credit for changin...

cats gotta be more specific as to what they mean naS influenced stuff. Because I was listening to rap back then, and considering naS wasnt even on the radar till '96 I'm more inclined to think naS was influenced by the cats that I'm talkin about.

For instance Pac had been throwin R&B mufukkaz on hook sense he was in the game, illmatic's hook game was very bad, then on IWW you see naS with R&B cats on the hooks. On illmatic you have a guy rappin in phrases just to be rapping with no coherent ideas or songs, on IWW you see actual song writing with complete sentences and ideas... you also see naS pushing units, and people in Chicago (me & Lupe) listening.

think about that...

 

[mobbinfms]

I have to dap you on that cuz when I was listenin, I was like "this bytch sound like Snoop" But she did influence... you'll here her marquee adlib from the lips of Brooklyn's 2nd favorite son, "Baby, baby!!"

But I gotta disagree with Another Bad Creation, they was them singin ass nikkaz who sang Iesha. There was another group back in the day called Illegal, but they used to cuss n shyt while the Kris's made generally safe music for kids Jr high age even though we were listenin to hard shyt then too.

the point is niccaz was already doin what niccaz are givin nas credit for changin...

cats gotta be more specific as to what they mean naS influenced stuff. Because I was listening to rap back then, and considering naS wasnt even on the radar till '96 I'm more inclined to think naS was influenced by the cats that I'm talkin about.

For instance Pac had been throwin R&B mufukkaz on hook sense he was in the game, illmatic's hook game was very bad, then on IWW you see naS with R&B cats on the hooks. On illmatic you have a guy rappin in phrases just to be rapping with no coherent ideas or songs, on IWW you see actual song writing with complete sentences and ideas... you also see naS pushing units, and people in Chicago (me & Lupe) listening.

think about that...

Did she say Baby Baby before Big? I really don't remember it that way. But I don't know for sure.

You right about ABC, but didn't they rap too?

 

[ISO]

so you wasnt fukkin with pac at all when he was rappin?

u couldn't hear that nikka hunger bruh? On 7day theory pac was on another level. I think dude woulda got way better, but to each his own.

I didn't say that, Im not on here like Reciprocol saying Pac was garbage. The thing is that I don't see how he would continue to get even better people act like he made a monumental leap from album to album. Artists usually tend to decline from album to album. Also how would Pac's style translate to the 00s? By saying he could have gotten "way better" you are against putting him at an extremely high pedestal.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Did she say Baby Baby before Big? I really don't remember it that way. But I don't know for sure.

You right about ABC, but didn't they rap too?

Funkdafied was June of 94, RTD was Sept of 94... both with Baby Baby's and they were in each other's videos... I think you gotta give the nod to whoever came out 1st.

I didnt have no ABC albums

I forgot to mention... when we were talkin about sales the other day...

NAUGHTY BY NATURE NAUGHTY BY NATURE SEPTEMBER 03, 1991 FEBRUARY 06, 1992 TOMMY BOY STANDARD PLATINUM ALBUM GROUP

NAUGHTY BY NATURE 19NAUGHTYIII FEBRUARY 23, 1993 MAY 18, 1993 TOMMY BOY STANDARD PLATINUM ALBUM GROUP



Treach wasnt influenced by naS... check out the rhyme schemes in 1991.

 

[South Paw]

Pac just killed it on an emotional level and made you feel every word he said. I'd listen to Pac and feel like I could conquer the world.

 

[Still Benefited]

I agree with the argument that maybe that wasn't a goal of his (who really knows?). But don't try to argue both sides and claim he was capable of doing it over a whole album. Fact is - he didn't. That's all that matters. We are judging what they actually recorded.

Technical complexity is important to me. Meaningless to kids nowadays. You do need more than just that though. You're right. Nas was a whole lot more. He basically took two drastically different approaches to his content from album 1 to 2 and excelled in both.

Technical complexity is important to you and meaningful lyrics are important to others....save to say Nas has never made a album more meaningful with lyrics more powerful than MATW or Death Certificate,two very different albums......he may have tried or maybe he wuznt trying but he didn't pull it off either way which says he is incapable of that....so it brings it back to the argument which is the greater aspect of lyricism....technical aspect is important others thinking the meaning behind the lyrics are more important,how you put your words together to say raw shyt,hard shyt,deep shyt,powerful shyt....so it just comes back to your definition of lyricism....when people say Cube,Face,Pac,Chuck D ain't that lyrical I feel some kinda way about that,slightly offended dudes who are more "technical" who may be saying absolutly nuthing...get held up over nikkas who have sum of the most powerful,deep,rawest quotes ever recorded on wax....just bcuz they didn't say it with enuff multis or punchlines....whats your top 5 btw

 

[mobbinfms]

Technical complexity is important to you and meaningful lyrics are important to others....save to say Nas has never made a album more meaningful with lyrics more powerful than MATW or Death Certificate,two very different albums......he may have tried or maybe he wuznt trying but he didn't pull it off either way which says he is incapable of that....so it brings it back to the argument which is the greater aspect of lyricism....technical aspect is important others thinking the meaning behind the lyrics are more important,how you put your words together to say raw shyt,hard shyt,deep shyt,powerful shyt....so it just comes back to your definition of lyricism....when people say Cube,Face,Pac,Chuck D ain't that lyrical I feel some kinda way about that,slightly offended dudes who are more "technical" who may be saying absolutly nuthing...get held up over nikkas who have sum of the most powerful,deep,rawest quotes ever recorded on wax....just bcuz they didn't say it with enuff multis or punchlines....whats your top 5 btw

Nas' lyrics were meaningful and technically complex. Face and Cube are lyricists to me. I agree with what you're sayimg.

My top 5? In no particular order, Prodigy, Nas, Big, Pac, Jay

Generic as shyt right?

 

[mobbinfms]

Funkdafied was June of 94, RTD was Sept of 94... both with Baby Baby's and they were in each other's videos... I think you gotta give the nod to whoever came out 1st.

I didnt have no ABC albums

I forgot to mention... when we were talkin about sales the other day...

NAUGHTY BY NATURE NAUGHTY BY NATURE SEPTEMBER 03, 1991 FEBRUARY 06, 1992 TOMMY BOY STANDARD PLATINUM ALBUM GROUP

NAUGHTY BY NATURE 19NAUGHTYIII FEBRUARY 23, 1993 MAY 18, 1993 TOMMY BOY STANDARD PLATINUM ALBUM GROUP

O.P.P. - Naughty By Nature (HQ Audio) - YouTube

Treach wasnt influenced by naS... check out the rhyme schemes in 1991.

Good call on Naughty. I'd bet Onyx went Plat as well.

 

[daze23]

ABC was down with BBD and Boyz II Men

Kris Kross was always wack

lemonade was a popular drink and it still is

 

[daze23]

Good call on Naughty. I'd bet Onyx went Plat as well.

I think Bacdafucup did. mostly because Slam was popular with corny frat boys

they never had a song as big as OPP or Hip-Hop Hooray though

 

[mobbinfms]

ABC was down with BBD and Boyz II Men

Kris Kross was always wack

lemonade was a popular drink and it still is

I liked that song they had on the third album. Where it was like a million of them in the video.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

kriss kross were ABC clones now? somebody please explain. this one should be good.

da brat was the female snoop for just 1 album. then she switched up and started doing midwest double-time rap and other stuff, and she rapped circles around snoop.

 

[prophecypro]

How'd we get to Kriss Kross and ABC in a Pac/Nas thread?