how is masta ace not more often considered a top 10 emcee?
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I was just glad Ace was getting some shine. I never copped his albums, but Born to Roll was a huge song out west.
Plus I don't remember the album being heavy with white college kids. I was in college and didn't know anyone who had it or fukked with it at the time. All that said, the album wasn't as good as the internet would have had you believe.
Big Mel
@bigboss
i recall lots of cac love. and not wiggers per se, more like rich, educated snobby faux rap heads. must have been the MC Paul Barman feature. I actually thought a lot of Disposable Arts' beats were rather tinny and cheap-ish given Ace's previous 2 magnum opus' where the production was flat out enormous and consuming on slaughterhouse then flipped a 180 and smoothed the fukk out to perfection on Sittin On Chrome.
Still, DA was a dope album. I rarely refer back to it though. This thread is actually a great reason to dust off.
Big Mel
@bigboss
listening to Disposable Arts right now and it's aged poorly. These beats man. Super average. Don't Understand still jams. And the Ayatollah joint is dope.
Ace is dope, and I really dug Disposable Arts...but hes been on some real A,B,C,1,2,3 shyt these past few releases...
Dudes like G Rap still sound the same...hungry, multis etc etc
Dudes like G Rap still sound the same...hungry, multis etc etc
The_Hillsta
Neva missin a beat
HELL YES!!!
This and INC Ride had muthafukkaz coppin Sittin On Chrome......My brother had that Slaugtahouse tape, Jeep Ass Niguh got MAJOR spins on The Box. That "Black boy black boy..." line is a hip hop classic, entire song is one huge quotable.
Crazy how looooooooong cats been with this hip hop shyt, gotdamn Masta Ace was getting play in the mainstream along with everyone else, with those singles at the time.
nineteeneightysix
Banned
MC HAMMER did MORE for Hip Hop on a GLOBAL scale than Master Ace...
Growing up in Africa, the blacks would argue about who is better Mc Hammer or Michael Jackson...Dude had cartoons and action figures in his likeness...
MC Hammer was HUGE....Arguably the first Hip Hop GLOBAL superstar...
Name a Master Ace song that can even be compared to "Can't Touch This" "Too Legit To Quit" and "Pray"...?
I love Latina women
Veteran
i know all about hammer, i lived that era as well. but a top 10 emcee?
sittin' on chrome, the ride, and take a walk can all be compared to any and every mc hammer song. none of those songs are international hits (far from it) but doesn't change the fact that they are great songs. not all great songs gone on to be international hits, especially when it comes to hip hop music
again, hammer though?
Love ace to death, but this post got me like
Seriously tho, Ace has probably a top ten catalogue of solo rap artists. He has classics and no albums under 7/10. Yes, he was never as big or impactful as his contemporaries like Rakim, BDK, KRS and the like, but he had a longer and more consistent career than all of them. To rate him by his era, he has to be somewhere in the top 20. And the 11-20 is filled with artists like AZ, Eminem, Ghostface, Slick Rick, Snoop Dogg and Twista. Looking at things objectively, he's got a claim over most of them.
Ace made better albums and better music than Hammer did. And had a better career.
What's the point of being a flash in the pan superstar if it ends with you fizzling out and being synonymous with being broke and washed up? At the ABSOLUTE VERY least, Masta Ace can pay his bills himself, Hammer couldn't say the same.
nineteeneightysix
Banned
I am NOT stating that MC Hammer is Top10...I am asserting that MC Hammer should be considered a Top 10 MC Hammer before Master Ace...i know all about hammer, i lived that era as well. but a top 10 emcee?
sittin' on chrome, the ride, and take a walk can all be compared to any and every mc hammer song. none of those songs are international hits (far from it) but doesn't change the fact that they are great songs. not all great songs gone on to be international hits, especially when it comes to hip hop music
again, hammer though?
nineteeneightysix
Banned
(1) MC Hammer sold MORE ALBUMS by a landslide...OBJECTIVELY speaking, he made "better music" because more people consumed his music than Master Ace's...
(2) MC Hammer had a FAR BETTER career than Master Ace...He was FAR MORE successful...Going broke does not negate what he achieved with his music...
This is NOT a Master Ace vs MC Hammer thread...
All I am stating is that there are MORE rappers deserving of Top 10 status than Master Ace, because those rappers had FAR MORE success...
Yes, its true Hammer sold more albums than Ace, that is not debateable, however are album sales the only relevant factor in judging ability or greatness? I don't think so at all, they are only one aspect.
Objectively speaking, Hammer had an extremely hot run that ended very quickly as well, there was no longevity to his career, another and IMO a more important aspect in measuring greatness. Hammer couldn't duplicate a fraction of that success ever again and if he released an album now, it wouldn't sell more than a Master Ace album would. Also, you are mistaking popularity for quality. Just because more people consumed his music does not mean it was better or of a higher quality, only that more people supported it.
Objectively, how do you measure success? I don't consider making millions and ending up broke and blackballed from the industry that made you famous as "successful". If your goal is to be FAMOUS, then yes you could say Hammer was more successful, but if you say your goal was to make multiple classic albums, have an extensive catalogue of music, to be respected musically by your peers and fans and to have a long career doing something you enjoy, then any of all of those things Ace trumps Hammer in.
You seem to be judging greatness or status merely by popularity.... Why?
There are NUMEROUS ways a person can be successful, most without achieving anything you said. You ask most people in the rap game what are their biggest goals in the industry and the 3 biggest things you get are "Money, Power and Respect". Ace trumps Hammer in ALL of those catergories, how can Ace NOT be considered better than Hammer?
The only aspects Hammer trumps Ace in are album sales and Popularity, those are only 2 aspects in which about 50 different aspects can be counted for. Your scope is limited.
nineteeneightysix
Banned
And you are going to choose criteria that favour Master Ace or your other favourite MC's
But Albums sales are FREE of personal bias...You can't be Top 10 if your albums sales are mediocre...
Hardcore rappers like 2Pac, DMX, 50 Cent sold albums...Album sales reflect how much the fan base thinks your music is worth buying...
How can you be Top 10 when only a small minority even know about your career...?