How long these bytch ass rappers gonna keep fleecing producers

[stealthbomber]

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm "in the game".
Stop trying to sound smart and stay in a Fan's place: listening/purchasing music.
The titles are for personal hype...and to impress "fans".
If you're not on both sides of the board, you're not doing shyt anyway.
Songwriters get ripped off by "producers" AND "artists"...so do "beatmakers".
Many "producers" can't make beats or write. That's factual. It's not a graduated title or earned position, it's just a loose descriptor people put extras on. That's it.

yall got it

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Tell these guys to stop selling their beats cheap and shyt.

 

[ThaEruditious]

That beatmaker/producer argument has always been dumb as hell to me. I mean it's in the word: producer (tagged like that on purpose, btw). To produce something is to create or contribute to the creation of that thing (this being something with multiple producers or co-producers). Technically everyone involved in the creative part of a composition should be labled the track's producer (music composers and [lyric] writers) because those are the overarching ingredients in the song's creation. But of course, that's not the way it's set up in our domestic music industry, at least, not as far as urban music. A "beatmaker" is a producer, period. Let's nip that shyt in there bud here and now. What many of yall are really arguing, especially with these constant Dre topics I've seen over the years, is producer vs conductor (a la the head of an orchestra). The two are not mutually exclusive. A conductor, so to speak, can either have a hand in the creation or he/she can just direct the orchestra, which, in this case, would be your live performers we hear in a lot of songs. Again Dre is the name I constantly see brought up. Diddy is another nikka notorious (pun not intended) for likely never actually getting his hands dirty. Only difference is I know Dre actually does. The most I've seen Sean do is sit behind boards and pick samples (the latter would technically [sorta kinda] make him a producer since he made a major contribution so a newly "original" work). This is the reason why Hov was listed as a co-producer for around half of 4:44. Also I'm speaking specifically about PRODUCTION, not post-production (aka mixing, mastering and the like).

The word producer is even dumber to me in the visual/media industries (but that's not something I really want to get into or need to be hashed out in this thread).

I laid out a middle ground, so nikkas can either take it or leave it.

 

[Chip Skylark]

I really don't understand how producers get fukked up

Every producer I've dealt with I tell them up front my budget and they have paperwork ready from the jump...

I NEED to start producing..

 

[Lordgodking Nyc]

It's all in the Paper work or lack there of. Game goofy dudes still signing work for hire contracts then got the nerve to get

"You need a lawyer and a good manager without that the record company wont be having ya"

 

[Turbulent]

I really don't understand how producers get fukked up

Every producer I've dealt with I tell them up front my budget and they have paperwork ready from the jump...

I NEED to start producing..

everyone wants to be a victim.

Unless someone took your beat and rapped over it without your permission or giving you credit, or unless they did not pay you whatever they said they would. Things like that is getting ripped off. But that's not what most of people in the thread are talking. People in here are talking about beatmakers/songwriters selling their creation cheap by choice and then getting mad when the shyt blows up.

 

[Turbulent]

start at 25:35. JD breaks it down