How Rap Does My Head In

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The discussion is about rap music, not the world or the internet

Rap is worldwide and accessible on the Internet, not just your radio/TV.​

 

[theworldismine13]

Rap is worldwide and accessible on the Internet, not just your radio/TV.​

Yeah and? The question is why do you say the internet is not balanced when all the logic and reasons you used for rap music also apply to the internet

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Yeah and? The question is why do you say the internet is not balanced when all the logic and reasons you used for rap music also apply to the internet

Hip hop is fine and balanced since you can listen to whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want.​

 

[theworldismine13]

Hip hop is fine and balanced since you can listen to whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want.​

And so how does that logic not also apply to the internet? Why do you say the internet is not balanced?

 

[Kritic]

Well yeah slavery and white supremacy is also partially black people's fault because black people allowed the European to advance technologically ahead of us and black people also participated in the slave trade, the slave trade could not have happened without certain negroes taking part in it, I wouldn't put slavery at 50 50 because a lot of the participation was done under duress tho

I don't believe admitting or acknowledging black participation is a weakness I think in the end it's a strength to admit and correct it, I think suggesting that white people are 90 or 100 percent responsible is an ode to the power and greatness of the white man

i know i bait you to say dumb shyt which is wrong on my part... but i really don't want to change my sig right now.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

And so how does that logic not also apply to the internet? Why do you say the internet is not balanced?

There is no lack of balance on the Internet.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

why do you keep making these types of posts, you didnt ever respond to my response when you did the same thing at the beginning of the thread

the other thing is that you dont really seem to understand what the criticism is, the point is the lack of balance and variety in rap music, at the same time those songs you posted were out there was also songs like this

in other words there was much more variety and more balance in rap music which reflected the variety and different aspects of african american culture and thought

the post nwa stuff i cant respond to because i believe nwa was the beginning of the downfall of rap, that is when certain negroes and white executives realized they could make millions by selling the negative aspects of african american culture to whites

You just want to attack some meaningless surface level issue that doesnt have any correlation with the problems you claim to care about. Black america was in a far greater violent and dysfunctional state during the Public Enemy era, so the pro-black artists of the day literally had zero effect on the conditions of inner city communities at the time. One could make the case that Public enemy harmed black communities based on pure positive correlation between crime and the popular rap acts at the time. It would be absurd, but it would be along the same lines of what you're trying to get away with here.

You say "post-nwa stuff"...man, NWA came out over 25 years ago, so what the hell are you crying about? The commodification of hip hop gave rise to themes and material that would appeal to the masses (sex, drugs, violence). Once rap became part of a corporate machine it was game over (the embryonic stages of cable tv and rap in the 80s created a brief artistic bubble that popped once the money started flying in)

You're complaining about "chief keef", but the whole industry was full of chief keefs once 'gangsta rap' took hold in the early 90s. Why are you acting like this sht is some brand new phenomena?

 

[Truth200]

Black america was in a far greater violent and dysfunctional state during the Public Enemy era, so the pro-black artists of the day literally had zero effect on the conditions of inner city communities at the time.

But it's not any better now they just used that as an excuse for the prison industrial complex to be a solution to this problem.

Higher incarceration rates of black males was not the right answer to this problem, can't just put people in jail.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

But it's not any better now they just used that as an excuse for the prison industrial complex to be a solution to this problem.

Higher incarceration rates of black males was not the right answer to this problem.

Dog, we had this conversation before. Arrest rates for violent black offenders are down SIGNIFICANTLY since 80s. By a substantial degree.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aus8009.pdf

The present day prison industrial complex that houses non violent offenders is a whole 'nother ball of wax, and a different conversation. Im challenging this idea that present day rap negatively affects the black community, or influences dysfunction in real and serious ways. This is fundamentally not true. Period.

 

[theworldismine13]

You just want to attack some meaningless surface level issue that doesnt have any correlation with the problems you claim to care about. Black america was in a far greater violent and dysfunctional state during the Public Enemy era, so the pro-black artists of the day literally had zero effect on the conditions of inner city communities at the time. One could make the case that Public enemy harmed black communities based on pure positive correlation between crime and the popular rap acts at the time. It would be absurd, but it would be along the same lines of what you're trying to get away with here.

You say "post-nwa stuff"...man, NWA came out over 25 years ago, so what the hell are you crying about? The commodification of hip hop gave rise to themes and material that would appeal to the masses (sex, drugs, violence). Once rap became part of a corporate machine it was game over (the embryonic stages of cable tv and rap in the 80s created a brief artistic bubble that popped once the money started flying in)

You're complaining about "chief keef", but the whole industry was full of chief keefs once 'gangsta rap' took hold in the early 90s. Why are you acting like this sht is some brand new phenomena?

i think you are confused, i never even said anything about crime, what i said is that that rap music is at a dead end artistically and its not balanced

what i said about nwa is that nwa is where the decline of rap music began, that point isnt based on crime statistics its based on my observations of the subject matter of rap songs

im more than willing to have a discussion about crime and rap music but that wasnt the point of the article, if you want to discuss "real issues" then make a thread about "real issues" or up the other threads about that, i understand you dont consider culture to be a "real issue" but culture is an issue whether the crime rate is 0 or 100 percent

 

[theworldismine13]

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my bad i misread that sentence

 

[theworldismine13]

i know i bait you to say dumb shyt which is wrong on my part... but i really don't want to change my sig right now.

you can sig it if you want, its all good

but blaming white people is not a power move, putting the full blame on white people just says that you believe in the power of the white man

the white man does not have the power to go into africa and take out millions of black people and they dont have the power to pervert black culture for profit, to accomplish these things requires the acquiescence of a group of negroes

when negroes stop acquiescing and stop believing in myths, the power of the white man will disappear

 

[Kritic]

Dog, we had this conversation before. Arrest rates for violent black offenders are down SIGNIFICANTLY since 80s. By a substantial degree.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aus8009.pdf

The present day prison industrial complex that houses non violent offenders is a whole 'nother ball of wax, and a different conversation. Im challenging this idea that present day rap negatively affects the black community, or influences dysfunction in real and serious ways. This is fundamentally not true. Period.

i dont fuq with govt stats. esp when they dont agree with my beliefs


and besides, there's different ways of using govt stats to pusha agendas. they don't help the black agenda..

 

[theworldismine13]

i dont fuq with govt stats. esp when they dont agree with my beliefs


and besides, there's different ways of using govt stats to pusha agendas. they don't help the black agenda..

breh this dude is writing essays to defend jimmy iovine pushing chief keef on the masses and tryna convince us that this isnt a "real issue"

see how it works?

somehow the perversion of the culture and image of african americans is not a "real issue", ill take a wild guess and assume the "real issue" for said poster is supporting liberal social programs and the democratic party which coincidentally jimmy iovine also is a strong supporter of

 

[Kritic]

breh this dude is writing essays to defend jimmy iovine pushing chief keef on the masses and tryna convince us that this isnt a "real issue"

see how it works?

somehow the perversion of the culture and image of african americans is not a "real issue", ill take a wild guess and assume the "real issue" for said poster is supporting liberal social programs and the democratic party which coincidentally jimmy iovine also is a strong supporter of

some ppl who don't come from trouble areas or "cultures" will look at it only from a pure capitalistic point of view and say there's nothing with it if you don't listen to it.
but i see gm recalling faulty cars when they can cause accidents and anyone can be a victim to their products even when they don't own them..

considering chief keef comes from an area which really like st louis should be under a state of emergency... these labels cannot and should not get away artists promoting violence. they're not helping with the situation. and they are not being held accountable.

black ppl in those cheif keef areas esp those in law need to file a class action suit against these record labels.

the rappers are only doing what their labels allow them to put out there. no one's holding the labels responsible enough..

these are real social problems we're dealing with here. chief keef and co. are animals running lose.