How to normalize high blood pressure naturally?

[voiture]

Take medication. I know so many people who went the natural route and dropped dead. Check your diet and exercise but some of this stuff is genetic for black people and no amount of natural stuff will fix it especially as you get older.

 

[Pegasus Jackson]

Take medication. I know so many people who went the natural route and dropped dead. Check your diet and exercise but some of this stuff is genetic for black people and no amount of natural stuff will fix it especially as you get older.

Pretty much.. even then.. Kevin Samuels was ON medication and still went out young.

I'm on a losartan/amlodipine cocktail myself.

 

[Tflasha]

Water and walking... Leave them gotdgamn seasonings alone.. alot of y'all nikkas don't know how to eat shyt without drowning it in seasonings/dressings/sauces etc... See alot of it young when kids use too much ketchup/ranch dressing

 

[Reflected]

Pretty much.. even then.. Kevin Samuels was ON medication and still went out young.

I'm on a losartan/amlodipine cocktail myself.

Because the only way to reverse hypertension is to get active and change your diet. The medication is for people that struggle to do that, it isn't meant for treatment, it's meant for management.

6 simple tips to reduce your blood pressure - Harvard Health

Reducing blood pressure doesn't require major changes. Even losing a small amount of weight and limiting alcohol can make a difference....

www.health.harvard.edu

You will note the article mentions the newly updated values. People at 110+ should be active and managing their diet, because it linearly follows that they will be rising in BP as they age, so 110 people can become 120, 120 people can become 130. That's why I hate when people go around promoting being content at a "normal" 120, they are setting people up for failure, it's the reason this shyt got out of control.

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• High blood pressure is now defined as readings of 130 mm Hg and higher for the systolic blood pressure measurement, or readings of 80 and higher for the diastolic measurement. That is a change from the old definition of 140/90 and higher, reflecting complications that can occur at those lower numbers.
• In the first update to comprehensive U.S. guidelines on blood pressure detection and treatment since 2003, the category of prehypertension is eliminated.
• While about 14 percent more people will be diagnosed with high blood pressure and counseled about lifestyle changes, there will only be a small increase in those who will be prescribed medication.
• By lowering the definition of high blood pressure, the guidelines recommend earlier intervention to prevent further increases in blood pressure and the complications of hypertension.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Cycling/Rowing is

Bro the AHA say's 120 and above is elevated and at risk for hypertension. I'm literally quoting directly from the AHA, the people you get the "normal" value from, you are going off of outdated information, they changed that likely because people were going around saying 120+ is normal, it's not. I aiming for <100, tbh, and it should be the aim of most, because with that, you are drastically removing yourself from the probability of hypertension.

What you are overlooking, is that you don't want to be points away from hypertension, that's just a few bad decisions, the AHA notes that, it's your lifestyle that got you to 120 and as the AHA notes, the older you get, the base rises, so that person at 123 can easily expect to hit 130+ in the following years.


edit: I'm only trying to say that the 120 person will soon be in the shoes of someone that needs medication for it, they should avoid 120, the AHA says the same thing.

I can already tell you’re one of these dudes who overreacts to shyt and believes everything the media says.

 

[Reflected]

I can already tell you’re one of these dudes who overreacts to shyt and believes everything the media says.

Okay, bro. But who should people listen to, the guy on medication for hypertension or the guy far below "normal" and aiming for lower?

Why should anyone listen to you over me if we are going to get personal? BP increases with age, regardless of diet, if someone is at 123, which is "elevated" according to the AHA, that number will go up with age, even if they are active and eating right, so couple that with diet, and someone at 123 becomes 130+ and needs medication to manage their BP. I'm saying 120+ should be avoided, as does the AHA, because it isn't "normal" and it increases with age. I feel like I'm in crazy town right now, you won't admit to being wrong. You got your original values from the AHA, and yet you suggest the AHA is "media", and I'm a fool for going off of their values.

In what world does this make sense?

 

[pete clemenza]

Good thread

 

[Reflected]

Also:

Plant-Based Diet Reverses Heart Disease

Heart disease can be dramatically improved by a plant-based diet

www.pcrm.org

A new research report confirms that heart disease can be dramatically improved—and even reversed—by a plant-based diet.

Researchers from this study counseled 198 patients with cardiovascular disease on a diet free of fish, meat, dairy, and added oils. Of the 89 percent of participants who followed the diet, 81 percent improved their symptoms and experienced fewer complications from heart disease.

In addition, those participants lost an average of 18.7 pounds, while 22 percent saw a complete reversal of their condition. This study employed a nutritional training program that eliminated both added oils and animal products.

Heart Disease

Boost Heart Health With a Plant-Based Diet

www.pcrm.org

Dr. Ornish’s landmark study tested the effects of a plant-based diet on participants with moderate to severe heart disease. There were no surgeries or stents—just simple diet and lifestyle changes. Within weeks, 90 percent of chest pain diminished. After just one month, blood flow to the heart improved. After a year, even severely blocked arteries had reopened. At the Cleveland Clinic, Dr. Esselstyn tested the same approach on patients with severe heart disease and published similar results. Thirty years later, all of the compliant patients are still thriving.

Plant-based diets benefit heart health because they contain no dietary cholesterol, very little saturated fat, and abundant fiber. Meat, cheese, and eggs, on the other hand, are packed with cholesterol and saturated fat, which cause plaque buildup in the arteries, eventually leading to heart disease.

We Can Prevent and Even Reverse Coronary Artery Heart Disease - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Video of Esselstyn explaining the study is included in the article above.

Breakdown of the data from Esselstyn:









Now with that, consider that most black people live in the south, consider that in these areas are issues with access to health care, access to quality food, and access to the proper knowledge needed to ensure healthy living. And then consider the common dishes found in these areas, anyone of aware of southern dishes knows damn well this is primarily contributing to health issues. So when we consider these variables, it would follow that black people are predominantly represented in the HBP studies, but all of these areas can be improved.

 

[acri1]

Pretty much.. even then.. Kevin Samuels was ON medication and still went out young.

I'm on a losartan/amlodipine cocktail myself.

Yup. Like I mentioned I've had HBP since early 20s and I've ALWAYS been thin (and a nonsmoker) so it was never a weight thing.

My younger sister always struggled with her weight and her blood pressure is great. Sometimes you just have L genes and have to get on meds

 

[Reflected]

Yup. Like I mentioned I've had HBP since early 20s and I've ALWAYS been thin (and a nonsmoker) so it was never a weight thing.

My younger sister always struggled with her weight and her blood pressure is great. Sometimes you just have L genes and have to get on meds

What is your average BP reading like now and how active are you?

 

[acri1]

What is your average BP reading like now and how active are you?

I'd say moderately active...gym twice a week or so and I go for walks on my lunch break

Not really sure of my average. It's like 150/80 or something at the doctor but I get extremely nervous around docs so that's probably exaggerated. I don't know what it's like outside of the doctors office but considering my family history I told the doc to just go ahead and put me on meds. On meds it's somewhere in the 130s at the doc.


My cholesterol and blood sugar are fine though at least

 

[Reflected]

I'd say moderately active...gym twice a week or so and I go for walks on my lunch break

Not really sure of my average. It's like 150/80 or something at the doctor but I get extremely nervous around docs so that's probably exaggerated. I don't know what it's like outside of the doctors office but considering my family history I told the doc to just go ahead and put me on meds. On meds it's somewhere in the 130s at the doc.


My cholesterol and blood sugar are fine though at least

Ah, I was wondering because people have different standards for being active. I would consider "moderately active" as 5 days a week, 20-30 minutes a day of roughly intense cardio, so actively tracking your heart rate and partaking in cardio that pushes your heart rate beyond 50% of your maximum HR, such as HIIT or Tabata. I'm saying this, because although genetics does play a role, I would be hard pressed to be convinced that those partaking in serious cardio while maintaining just a decent diet would be at risk for HBP, not that's it's impossible, but it would be rarity status.

Tabata vs. HIIT: How These Workouts Differ

Tabata is a type of high-intensity interval training, or HIIT, workout, but it differs from other HIIT workouts in timing and intensity.

www.healthline.com

Would you ever take to getting your own BP monitor, a daily heart rate tracker (fitbit/apple watch), while partaking in 3-5 days of Tabata/HIIT for 20-30mins and tracking your results? The things I'm mentioning can all be tracked automatically and would provide a visual representation of trends. From my perspective, you commit to that, and I would be floored if you still required medication and didn't see a significant improvement with the BP readings.


This is all assuming you are in the headspace or even care to partake in such discoveries, I'm just on a mini crusade against the idea of unknown genetic variables playing into it without evidence of notable cardiovascular activity in the lifestyle. I just think there is too much hand waving on clear contributors to HBP for black people, primarily obesity, meat consumption, and the lack of consistent and serious exercise annually.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Okay, bro. But who should people listen to, the guy on medication for hypertension or the guy far below "normal" and aiming for lower?

Why should anyone listen to you over me if we are going to get personal? BP increases with age, regardless of diet, if someone is at 123, which is "elevated" according to the AHA, that number will go up with age, even if they are active and eating right, so couple that with diet, and someone at 123 becomes 130+ and needs medication to manage their BP. I'm saying 120+ should be avoided, as does the AHA, because it isn't "normal" and it increases with age. I feel like I'm in crazy town right now, you won't admit to being wrong. You got your original values from the AHA, and yet you suggest the AHA is "media", and I'm a fool for going off of their values.

In what world does this make sense?

Still on that overreaction steez and trying to use “what ifs” to validate your post.

Please don’t respond back because I don’t give a fuxk about your view on this. Go ahead and stay acting like you have any problem right now with HBP.

 

[BunchePark]

When tf they made it 130

 

[Reflected]

Go ahead and stay acting like you have any problem right now with HBP.

Me personally? No, I won't have those issues because I take proactive measures. I was speaking for the individual with 120+, that you suggested had a normal BP, when it's actually considered elevated, and data suggests it will only increase time, with the next step being hypertension and medication needed to manage it, your current position. It's whatever, I outlined with the source you get blood pressure data from yourself, that you are wrong on the issue. I just wanted it clear to anyone else that you shouldn't be taken seriously. The irony of being in the position you are, and acting like anyone should be listening to you over the AHA is insane.

It's like a lifelong gambler 50k in hole telling the guy 1k in hole that he isn't really in a hole, yeah, he isn't in the same exact hole right now, but the decisions that got him to that 1k hole can eventually lead to the 50k hole unless corrective action is taken.

Everything I have said BP wise has been sourced to respected publications, PCRM a non-profit on the plant-based issue, but those are medical professionals sourcing from peer-reviewed journals.