I can not believe how much bullshyt that Dr Dre Snoop album last year was ...

[shopthatwrecks]

Trauma wasn't great either. Or the one with Shyheim on the first track.

trauma was he experimenting with new equipment .. n 4 of the songs..he coulda kept.. the one with b-real...ti ..the game and wyclef

it woulda been a dope album

under the influence is missing like 5 songs..especially the song that plays in the intro to 1 on 1 ...come 2nyte... had a different beat...50 ways had el debarge on the hook with a different beat

the midnite life.. was some shyt david jr made n quik jus put his name on it ..to give his son somethin 2 do

 

[RAX 010]

That song was nice and at this point I would rather hear him do songs like that and get Premo to do a few then have Dre and him work together again, that ship sailed....

Damn it was trash like that????

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Dre without Warren, Daz and you could even say Scott Storch is suspect.

The Firm flopped, That aftermath LP before the Chronic 2001 flopped. Dre is severely hit and miss and I will even go all the way to say.

Eminem would have had a better hiphop musical legacy if he never had to ride those Dre cartoon beats. Em would have been less of a novelty over some Preme, Alchemist, whoever. Em loves the east coast sound anyway. Infinite was his best work then some of SSLP before Dre switched to cartoon network and carved out this Eminem that sold millions because of the Dre cosign and his own skill-set not no Dre beats!

 

[JustCKing]

Dre without Warren, Daz and you could even say Scott Storch is suspect.

The Firm flopped, That aftermath LP before the Chronic 2001 flopped. Dre is severely hit and miss and I will even go all the way to say.

Eminem would have had a better hiphop musical legacy if he never had to ride those Dre cartoon beats. Em would have been less of a novelty over some Preme, Alchemist, whoever. Em loves the east coast sound anyway. Infinite was his best work then some of SSLP before Dre switched to cartoon network and carved out this Eminem that sold millions because of the Dre cosign and his own skill-set not no Dre beats!

Trash post.

Eminem without Dre would've been a flop. Only other producer that could've made Eminem a success while matching his style in 1999 is Timbaland. That's only because his production was as off the wall as Eminem's style. Still wouldn't have been as successful as he was with Dre though.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Trash post.

Eminem without Dre would've been a flop. Only other producer that could've made Eminem a success while matching his style in 1999 is Timbaland. That's only because his production was as off the wall as Eminem's style. Still wouldn't have been as successful as he was with Dre though.

Dre's cosign made Eminem. Not Dre's production which was garbage.

You say Timbo might work if it is the Timbo that produced Bubba Sparxxx 'Deliverance' then perhaps but Em is a East-coast MC at heart.

Dre left him no alternatives but to do some goofy sh1t. On East-coast production you would have got that Infinite/SSLP sound.

 

[O.Red]

Dre's sound is stuck in the mid 2000s



what happened to this guy

Being a recluse is bad for business. You gotta go outside. You see a lot of mega talents fall off like this, especially in hip hop. Nikkas spend 20-30 years in the house enjoying success then decide at 60 that they wanna get back in the mix. The Eddie Murphy

When people say rap is a young man's game they're missing the point. What it really implies is you gotta engage with the world and stay sharp or you're just gonna fall behind and atrophy, even the GOATs

Clipse, two 50 year old nikkas, have the hottest rap album out right now and a lot of that is owed to how active Pusha and Pharrell have been over the years. Both still sound crisp and fresh. Malice voice and pen have remained intact so it worked out

Ironically Snoop has been extremely active over the years and has put out really good shyt from time to time, so who's the odd man out? Dre with his reclusive outdated methods and sounds

You gotta go outside

 

[O.Red]

Dre's cosign made Eminem. Not Dre's production which was garbage.

You say Timbo might work if it is the Timbo that produced Bubba Sparxxx 'Deliverance' then perhaps but Em is a East-coast MC at heart.

Dre left him no alternatives but to do some goofy sh1t. On East-coast production you would have got that Infinite/SSLP sound.

Deliverance didn't even work for Bubba and Timbaland Timbaland left hip hop in frustration to go make pop music and Bubba did a complete 180 in aesthetic. Both in response to how much of a flop that album was

I think Deliverance is a great album but nikkas gotta have some sense

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Deliverance didn't even work for Bubba and Timbaland Timbaland left hip hop in frustration to go make pop music and Bubba did a complete 180 in aesthetic

I think Deliverance is a great album but nikkas gotta have some sense

I meant the record the single Deliverance. That's one of my fav joints ever.



It doesn't matter though but I think Eminem would have made better hiphop music without Dre. He ended up doing collabos with all the pop stars he used to diss. Half his novelty music seems uninspired this is not the lane he wanted. He even said it himself on 'Soldier' on the Eminem show.

Listen to the sound of me spillin' my heart through this pen
Motherfukkers know that I'll never be Marshall again
Full of controversy until I retire my jersey
'Til the fire inside dies and expires at thirty

Dre made him tap out quicker in my opinion. Them disneyland beats that RoyceDa5'9 watch Em shout at Dre over must have taken its toll.

 

[O.Red]

I meant the record the single Deliverance. That's one of my fav joints ever.



It doesn't matter though but I think Eminem would have made better hiphop music without Dre. He ended up doing collabos with all the pop stars he used to diss. Half his novelty music seems uninspired this is not the lane he wanted. He even said it himself on 'Soldier' on the Eminem show.



Dre made him tap out quicker in my opinion. Them disneyland beats that RoyceDa5'9 watch Em shout at Dre over must have taken its toll.

You can't put that all on Dre. Em shares just as much blame for the goofy shyt and being scared to drop the sound. Dre and Em are more alike than you're admitting. Let's not forget that Dre crafted Em's sound based off what he heard on the Slim Shady EP. The goofy shyt is what got Em noticed and he knew it

If he wanted to make the hip hop music you think he should he could've done it at any point in the last 15+ years

Em tapped out because of depression and drug addiction

 

[FlimFlam]

wouldn't be suprised if dre and snoop had limited fundamental oversight of the development and direction of this project. like they were paid to lend their likeness and verses to already established templates to ultimately advertise that drink

you could replace dre and snoop and just have an array of other people rap those verses over that samd garbage music and it would be the exact same album. it doesn't even have any of their character or signature beyond than them as empty logos

doesnt absolve them , but they may have been paid to take this fall lol

 

[BlackDiBiase]

You can't put that all on Dre. Em shares just as much blame for the goofy shyt and being scared to drop the sound. Dre and En are more alike than you're admitting. Let's not forget that Dre crafted Em's sound based off what he heard on the Slim Shady LP. The goofy shyt is what got Em noticed and he knew it

If he wanted to make the hip hop music you think he should he could've done it at any point in the last 15+ years

Em tapped out because of depression and drug addiction

I think you might be right Bro, they both can share blame.

To me his DNA is eastcoast his penmanship is proof of that and his older Eminem delivery. His favorite MC's too are eastcoast based.

I hear your points a 100% though, especially he could have changed his sound in the last 15 years but never did. Dre and Jimmy can share blame for that one too though.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

Snoop
Is too busy posting ai videos of himself on Facebook to care about music.

 

[bigde09]

Being a recluse is bad for business. You gotta go outside. You see a lot of mega talents fall off like this, especially in hip hop. Nikkas spend 20-30 years in the house enjoying success then decide at 60 that they wanna get back in the mix. The Eddie Murphy

When people say rap is a young man's game they're missing the point. What it really implies is you gotta engage with the world and stay sharp or you're just gonna fall behind and atrophy, even the GOATs

Clipse, two 50 year old nikkas, have the hottest rap album out right now and a lot of that is owed to how active Pusha and Pharrell have been over the years. Both still sound crisp and fresh. Malice voice and pen have remained intact so it worked out

Ironically Snoop has been extremely active over the years and has put out really good shyt from time to time, so who's the odd man out? Dre with his reclusive outdated methods and sounds

You gotta go outside

True. Probably the biggest reason why Eminem fell off. He’s Recluse who surrounds himself with yes men and basically lives in a bubble.

 

[O.Red]

I think you might be right Bro, they both can share blame.

To me his DNA is eastcoast his penmanship is proof of that and his older Eminem delivery. His favorite MC's too are eastcoast based.

I hear your points a 100% though, especially he could have changed his sound in the last 15 years but never did. Dre and Jimmy can share blame for that one too though.

The proof is all there. Hell look at 50. He was less inclined to wait on Dre and be beholden to production decisions that he didn't have to. 50 gonna go do what he wants

Don't forget that this exists



This got a decent reception when it came out and all the "this what I want from Em" shyt but it was a bonus track. That should show you there's parts of him that admires that sound, but he clearly don't believe in it enough to even have it as a main track on an album

 

[O.Red]

True. Probably the biggest reason why Eminem fell off. He’s Recluse who surrounds himself with yes men and basically lives in a bubble.

Exactly

See nikkas always look at Kanye and say he has too many yes men but the truth is just that nobody can tell Kanye anything He's gotten all of his success from nikkas telling him no and what he can't do

Eminem is a more accurate example of what happens when you're surrounded by yes men. Shyt just gets stale and hyper focused on 1-2 areas. That why the rhyming has gotten better in direct proportion to the music getting worse