ManBearPig
half man half bearpig
There is money in the underground game.
"I couldnt keep WASTING MONEY on FREDDIE GIBBS"-YOUNG JEEZY
- Thread starter KENNY DA COOKER
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This goes both ways, it's shortsighted and naive to want to hang all this on one man or the other, it just isn't the case. And that 'Talk To Me' is dope as fukk, tho an Em feature in 2011 is kinda dated, nice beat and Gibbs absolutley murders his verse. I definitely started fukking with Gibbs when I heard him with Jeezy, that 'Stripes (Run DMC) track.
DUCKED_OFF
Superstar
I wanted blood raw to blow .....when jeezy first signed him he was one of the hottest nikkas in the state
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
You're not...his 4th Ward Day mixtape went extremely hard. And Jeezy will never publicly admit it but Pulla wrote a lot of Trap or Die/TM101 era material for him.
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
in order to sell mainstream, you have to make mainstream music
you listen to the radio and it's usually songs of the same type.. that can be listened to and remembered by the masses... white/black/woman/man/rich/poor
you'll never blow with a street rapper making pure street records... eventually you're gonna have to put that star on your hook, or make that club banger, or dumb down the lyricism or street raps
most artists sign other artists cause they are "nice" on the mic... then reality hits when you find out running a label, isn't gonna work by throwing money at great rappers.... you still have to market them, promote them and put money behind the RIGHT records aka the commercial records
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
cause i need to make my fukking money back AND i'm your boss
i sign you to a deal, and then give you hundreds of thousands... i hear your music and know good and damn well you not gonna sell shyt... not cause you're bad, but because that music never tops any sales charts
and you gonna tell me "nah i just want to be me and do me"
then give me my money back and go do that...
rappers think because they got on doing something.. that it somehow means with a couple million, everyone else in the world will like it and buy it too... but it's not their money to risk, and the numbers for decades would prove that wrong
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
it's worked a shytload of timesit has never ever ever ever ever worked, look at slaughterhouse and yelawolf signed to em, no albums since 2012
young money, cash money
rocafella
shady with 50 and d12 even obie went gold and dropped 3 albums
MMG might not do great sales but i don't hear not one of them complaining about getting paid or not dropping
g-unit had a nice run of gold and plat
kanye with good music
you got to pick your label right.... people will sign you just to say they have you... or sign you but be going through their own drama...
rappers usually sign to whoever comes first or offers up the most... not looking at their track record or their situation
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
none of those artists are indy... lets not get into that argument tho... but simple research will show they are all backed or financed by major money/labelsRappers are still hung up on labels in 2014? I thought Macklemore, Wiz, Technine, Hopsin, etc already showed the industry that going indie and owning your own masters was the way to go.
Gibbs can't sell 100k indie and have 3 15k shows a week?
you said he should ride like the other indy dudes in your post and went on to mention two dudes who weren't very indy at all and tech n9ne who's been doing it forever (and mentoring gibbs, they toured together this year)
Tommy Knocks
retired
name the major labels they are signed too. thx.
It never felt like an organic matchup. I remember even when he first signed, his sound was completely different from Jeezy's. He was doing joints with Statik and dropped a EP on Decon. I think the deal was announced around the time Thuggin first dropped.
Still fukks with Jeezy tho, rapper-signed-to-other-rapper deals seem to almost always turn sour at some point
Still fukks with Jeezy tho, rapper-signed-to-other-rapper deals seem to almost always turn sour at some point
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
well i didn't want to do this... but ok... and before i start.. i didn't say signed to a major..
i said "but simple research will show they are all backed or financed by major money/labels"
we had a whole thread on this.. unless you are rich, know somebody rich.... or sign to a major at some point in your career.. you will never make it out of a 3 state area
Macklemore - paid ADA (owned by Warner) to push his cd.. he would not have gotten anywhere outside of seattle without them and his management admits it in this article
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014...-major-label-muscle-to-market-an-indie-album/
Wiz - every single album he dropped, rolling papers and after was on major labels... atlantic to be exact
Rolling Papers
- Released: March 29, 2011 (US)[21]
- Label: Rostrum, Atlantic
- Formats: CD, LP, digital download
Mac & Devin Go to High School
(with Snoop Dogg)
- Released: December 13, 2011 (US)[23]
- Label: Rostrum, Atlantic, Doggystyle
- Formats: CD, digital download
O.N.I.F.C.
Blacc Hollywood
- Released: August 19, 2014 (US)
- Label: Rostrum, Atlantic
- Formats: CD, digital download
Technine - this is where major money comes in... something gibbs doesn't have access to... so he's the only true independent artist on your list... but in his case, some millionaire furniture dealer gave him a shytload of money
Travis O'Guin, an established businessman in the world of furniture, was looking to get into the music industry. He had been a fan of Tech N9ne's and had seen how his career was being handled.
At the time, Tech had several engagements pulling him in several directions. At the time, he was signed to Qwest Records as well as MidwestSide Records. He also had commitments with both QDIII's Soundlab and Sway & King Tech of The Wake Up Show. Travis came into the picture and offered Tech something he never had, his own label. They agreed upon a 50/50 division of profits, with Travis acting as President and Tech as Vice President.
Hopsin - started off on a major... ruthless who was owned by interscope.. after fukking up that deal.. he's now on his own label
Hopsin had initially signed with Ruthless Records in 2007.
Tommy Knocks
retired
Those were who they WERE signed too. Gibbs WAS signed as well. So that point is moot. I am talking about NOW.
btw. ADA is just a distributor. You right now, could get them to distribute your music for 10k.
So yea, again, there's no real reason he couldn't go indie.