"I Didn't Speak to Jay for 2 weeks after Ether" - Dame Dash

[JuvenileHell]

Ethers beat was GARBAGEEE...lets get that out of the way...jays one verse of facts vs nas' 3 verses of playground he say she say disses was way more powerful...and in the years to follow nas' career kind of dwindled while jay kept elevating, even signing nas at one point...i mean as a record Takeover is just better, that sample is vicious in comparison to that wack Ron brows beat....I mean at the time if u woulda asked me what was better I woulda said ether all day but as a 26 yr old adult it's Takeover for me ...Nas Stans commence the negging u butthurt fakkits

Jay stans are the worst

 

[the rhyme king]

which is why I said "kinda" the picture of Prodigy dancing aka a ballerina was devastating. Yes wack rapping was the nail in the coffin, but he had always been a wack rapper .

@spliz
we dont know everything that is true, he may have left condoms in the baby seat. naS may have been callin Carmen 100x while Jay was bonin her neck. Is it believable? I think so. The Jay shyt was true... look at this board. naS stans love illmatic and shyt on IWW IA and naStrodamus.

even though i don't agree with this to alot people prodigy was never a wack rapper until he joined g-unit

even though he fell off long before that to me prodigy fell off around infamy album and it was down hill from there

to me prodigy was never some top 5 or 10 lyricist but to me he was not as wack as i used to make him out to be

infamous hell on earth murda muzik and hnic are my proof of that.

 

[spliz]

which is why I said "kinda" the picture of Prodigy dancing aka a ballerina was devastating. Yes wack rapping was the nail in the coffin, but he had always been a wack rapper .

@spliz
we dont know everything that is true, he may have left condoms in the baby seat. naS may have been callin Carmen 100x while Jay was bonin her neck. Is it believable? I think so. The Jay shyt was true... look at this board. naS stans love illmatic and shyt on IWW IA and naStrodamus.

It's not true cause it's impossible..Jay didn't even fukk wit Carmen when Destiny was a baby..that's why the babyseat shyt was false..he was just tryna be extra harsh..I believe Jay even said that didn't happen..

 

[intilectual recipricol]

It's not true cause it's impossible..Jay didn't even fukk wit Carmen when Destiny was a baby..that's why the babyseat shyt was false..he was just tryna be extra harsh..I believe Jay even said that didn't happen..

baby seat... car seat. Kids sposed to be in that thing a long fukkin time. I think its until 7 years old or 100 lbs. But even if he was just being harsh thats part of the battle. Its certainly better than "semi autos to your cartilage" which incidentally doesnt make a lick of sense.

which is worse: being worse than Horse or being worse than Beans?
faq model for Karl Kani or Hawaiian shirts?
sampling a voice or not getting paid for being sampled?

Jay simply got the nikka period.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Everybody around Jay said Ether killed Jay. Bleek, Beans, Dame etc. Nas took on the Roc, Nature Cormega, Prodigy during that time and none of these artists or groups has been the same since. These are indisputable facts. Rocafella at that time was like MMG on steroids as far as power in the game. Ether brought that to a halt. Why can't jay fans acknowledge facts?

What I don't get is how people like you want others to acknowledge the above. But in the same breath, won't acknowledge the fact that Jay smutted out Carmen and later Jay became Nas' boss. That's some real life "ether" that was realer than just a diss.

Ether was a vicious diss. I'm a jay and a nas fan, I have no bias or favorite. But it's no way in hell I sign to a nikka that fukked my bm

 

[Ronnie Lott]

It's not true cause it's impossible..Jay didn't even fukk wit Carmen when Destiny was a baby..that's why the babyseat shyt was false..he was just tryna be extra harsh..I believe Jay even said that didn't happen..

C'mon bruh, wether or not destiny was a baby or not doesn't even matter. The fact that jay was diggin out nas bm was vicious enuff

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

I dig super ugly...but it gets discounted cause nas didn't respond, so it got matched up against ether....since nas didn't respond, people took super ugly vs ether to compare instead of takeover vs ether...the true comparisons should've been stillmatic/super ugly, ether/takeover, last real nikka/blueprint 2....but it didn't shake out like that....and super ugly compared to ether is not a contest....one is a full fledged song vs a jacking for beats type freestyle....what it showed was jay wanted a long back and forth, nas didn't, but that's another topic...

That's my point with the Nas's and Tupac's of the world...Their music was 99th percentile...But the back stories are so flawed.....Ether was a Musically better...But he couldn't respond to super ugly...he had no ammo...and he was just bodied by truth.

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

Shyt befuddles me. This isn't some rick Ross 50 cent beef where both of them crow about being the winner; this was huge and not just confined to message boards and Jay openly admits he lost. You can still be a fan of him if you admit it. Bleek is still in his will and he admitted it as soon as he heard ether. Nikkas act like jay will disown them. Oh that's right he doesn't know y'all nikkas yet you're for a 13 year old cause that's already been decided.

You ole south shall rise again nikkas

Its just like judging in Boxing...Jay fans Cyse that he didn't lose...Just like Nas fans cyse winning this battle is better than winning at everything else.

You can't ignore the fact Jay got Bodied by Ether....
Just like you can't ignore Nas ended up working FOR the dude that "Left Condoms on the Baby Seat" ....

 

[MouseTeeth]

Jay stans are the worst

Why don't u counter with an argument ....btw Nas is in my top 5 but it's delusional to think his career holds a candle to Jays

 

[spliz]

C'mon bruh, wether or not destiny was a baby or not doesn't even matter. The fact that jay was diggin out nas bm was vicious enuff

Somebody is diggin out ya ex girl right now and ain't shyt u can do about it..lol..if u have a kid and ain't with the mother..somebody is gonna be diggin her out as well..and Jay never became Nas' boss..Nas is still on Def Jam..Jay is gone..LA Reid signed Nas..Nas signed to Def Jam..not Rocafella records...

 

[lutha]

Ur wrong as shyt..lol...Jay dropped his Takeover shot at summer jam..Nas dropped Stillmatic freestyle...JAY HIMSELF decided to drop the full Takeover with a verse for Nas..his own choice..Nas dropped Ether where the main verse for Jay was the 3rd one..Jay dropped his European Hov track..it got ignored..THEN he dropped Super Ugly..and they compared that...see what u nikkas don't understand is..HOT 97 was RIDING for Jay and wanted him to win..they was biased as fukk..if they woulda compared that European Hov track it would've been worse than them comparing Super Ugly..so they did Jay a favor wit that shyt...they was even tryna rig the votes in Jay's favor..people who worked there even said it..I'm tired of nikkas actin like Jay was this victim of his popularity and Nas only won cause he was an underdog...no..Jay had the media and stations in HIS favor..the FANS spoke and voted for Nas..not only on Hot 97..other NY stations did polls also..and Nas SWEEPED Jay....also..since the battle was already won..there was no need to compare anything after that..but to say Nas wasn't prepared to go for the long haul is dumb for a few reasons..
1: Nas sent shots at Jay on multiple tracks all over Stillmatic..from You're The Man to Destroy and Rebuild..he also sent shots at him on The Lost Tapes..You Wanna Be Me on 8 Mile..even the hook on Made U Look was perceived to be a shot at Jay...but all that was was more or less kicking him while he was down type shyt..

2:he spoke on the reason the beef even happened on Last Real nikka Alive and Jay spoke on why he lost one Blueprint 2..they was aftermath tracks after everything was over..and they both had em..so how does that mean Nas wasn't ready for the long haul?..they BOTH had tracks about eachother around the same time...it's not like Jay was sending shots and Nas stayed quiet..it's just that Nas was taking victory laps and Jay was complaining..that's the difference..

where exactly was i wrong?...so you would compare a freestyle (stillmatic, super ugly) to a full song (takeover, ether)?....i was talking about what songs shouldve been compared to each other, not what did get compared nor when they got released (even though you just stated the same release order i did)...except for one: the euro hov track, it came out after super ugly....as for nas being prepared/wanting a long back and forth, he wasnt/didnt, he even said so...jay wanted to do a back and forth, even threw out at the ppv idea....nas wasnt interested in that...as for your reasons:

1. yes nas and jay sent multiple shots at each other for awhile, they still do....but none of that shyt was offical like takeover, ether, stillmatic, super ugly, etc...so that shyt doesnt mean you really want a back and forth...if you did, you'd named names, like they did in the offical disses at each other..

2. this is where you and others are wrong: yea, nas spoke his side on why the back/forth started on last real nikka and people took that as gospel...but yall ignore all the shots prior...yall act like nas was an innocent cat chillin minding his own, and jay just attacked him outta no where...no...nas had been throwing shots since it was written, which he has said himself...also, since it looked like nas had won to many, there was no reason for him to go back/forth...

 

[spliz]

baby seat... car seat. Kids sposed to be in that thing a long fukkin time. I think its until 7 years old or 100 lbs. But even if he was just being harsh thats part of the battle. Its certainly better than "semi autos to your cartilage" which incidentally doesnt make a lick of sense.

which is worse: being worse than Horse or being worse than Beans?
faq model for Karl Kani or Hawaiian shirts?
sampling a voice or not getting paid for being sampled?

Jay simply got the nikka period.

Nas wrote the Horse verse so how was he worse than himself?..lol..being worse on a song beats being worse in general...u can't be serious with the Karl Kani vs Hawaiian shirt shyt..anyone in the 90s would rather model Karl Kani than rock that corny Hawaiian shyt hangin on strings like a faggit ass puppet..lol..Jay STILL don't got his publishing for Reasonable Doubt..lol..and he lied about the publishing thing by the way..and stop suckering me in to this argument with u fam..lol

 

[lutha]

It was funny, but thats like a filler line in between all the personal shyt... thats why the ballerina shyt killed Prodigy's career. Cuz it was true... kinda.

naw, that didnt kill P career, mobb deep killed their own career...after jay dissed them, it seemed most of their time spent was going at jay...not only that, they kept trying to prove they were the hardest walking....they forgot the shyt was just music, and shouldve concentrated on making good music...also, signing to 50 after he used yall as a reference as to what he would do to someone like jay did yall, didnt help...

 

[spliz]

where exactly was i wrong?...so you would compare a freestyle (stillmatic, super ugly) to a full song (takeover, ether)?....i was talking about what songs shouldve been compared to each other, not what did get compared nor when they got released (even though you just stated the same release order i did)...except for one: the euro hov track, it came out after super ugly....as for nas being prepared/wanting a long back and forth, he wasnt/didnt, he even said so...jay wanted to do a back and forth, even threw out at the ppv idea....nas wasnt interested in that...as for your reasons:

1. yes nas and jay sent multiple shots at each other for awhile, they still do....but none of that shyt was offical like takeover, ether, stillmatic, super ugly, etc...so that shyt doesnt mean you really want a back and forth...if you did, you'd named names, like they did in the offical disses at each other..

2. this is where you and others are wrong: yea, nas spoke his side on why the back/forth started on last real nikka and people took that as gospel...but yall ignore all the shots prior...yall act like nas was an innocent cat chillin minding his own, and jay just attacked him outta no where...no...nas had been throwing shots since it was written, which he has said himself...also, since it looked like nas had won to many, there was no reason for him to go back/forth...

Nas ain't send shots at Jay in IWW..and WTF does that have to do with anything anyway?..who said Nas was innocent?..u arguing wit ya self nikka cause u running out of rebuttals..everything I said was fact..and Jay wanted to have a damn Boxing match..not no rap battle..how hurt do u have to be to want to Box a nikka after a battle?..main thing is..Nas won and carried himself like a winner..Jay lost and carried himself like a loser...all this what ifs..switching timelines n comparing and contrasting make believe shyt don't mean nothing cause it ain't REAL..Jay losing was real..deal wit it..I'm so sick of this dumb ass subject..prolly the most annoying conversation in the history of hip hop at this point..

 

[lutha]

That's my point with the Nas's and Tupac's of the world...Their music was 99th percentile...But the back stories are so flawed.....Ether was a Musically better...But he couldn't respond to super ugly...he had no ammo...and he was just bodied by truth.

i agree, most of the time back/forths are boring cause it boils down to cats talking about what they gonna do to each other...but in jay/nas case, i think it wouldve been good...they hadnt dipped to the point that their disses was about proving who was the hardest...they were spitting at each other....the stillmatic freestyle, oh my...takeover, oh my....i wouldve really enjoyed the idea jay threw out there: go on ppv, they both do 3 songs and let the fans judge...i wouldve paid for that shyt...