I had no Damon Dash as my partner, Just maniacs, wish I had a Damon - Nas

[spliz]

Came here to type this.

Nas acting like he hasn’t been with Stoute since his 2nd album.

Nas is talking about ILLMATIC. Nas’ life was terrible during the Illmatic era and he had no guidance. They fukked his album release up. A nikka like Dame or Puff wouldve got a hold of that shyt before it got as bad as it did.

 

[tuckgod]

Nas is talking about ILLMATIC. Nas’ life was terrible during the Illmatic era and he had no guidance. They fukked his album release up. A nikka like Dame or Puff wouldve got a hold of that shyt before it got as bad as it did.

That’s bullshyt too.

The whole industry was with Nas leading up to Illmatic.

Extra P held him down at the very beginning and got his name poppin, while putting him in the studio while Rakim was recording, and guest starring him on his own debut album.

MC Serch got the man like the greatest record deal ever for a rapper at the time and hip hop’s greatest East Coast producers at the time all came together to make sure the beats on his debut was as ill as his rhymes.

 

[Piff Perkins]

That’s bullshyt too.

The whole industry was with Nas leading up to Illmatic.

Extra P held him down at the very beginning and got his name poppin, while putting him in the studio while Rakim was recording, and guest starring him on his own debut album.

MC Serch got the man like the greatest record deal ever for a rapper at the time and hip hop’s greatest East Coast producers at the time all came together to make sure the beats on his debut was as ill as his rhymes.

The idea that Dame would single handedly prevent the most anticipated NY album of its time getting bootlegged is laughable. I agree Dame would have had Nas in better position on a variety of issues at that time IF Nas would listen to him (unlikely IMO given his personality)...but it doesn't change the fact that Nas was going to get bootlegged, Biggie was gonna crush the building with radio singles, etc.

If anything Dame would have had Nas rapping over some type of wack of Aint No nikka type track for radio play.

 

[spliz]

That’s bullshyt too.

The whole industry was with Nas leading up to Illmatic.

Large P held him down at the very beginning and got his name poppin, while putting him in the studio while Rakim was recording, and guest starring him on his own debut album.

MC Serch got the man like the greatest record deal ever for a rapper at the time and hip hop’s greatest East Coast producers at the time all came together to make sure the beats on his debut was as ill as his rhymes.

That’s not bullshyt. Serch put him on. But damn sure aint teach him the business. His BUSINESS wasnt right. Jungle even speaks on how Nas had to navigate on his own. Large Pro was just a producer/rapper tryna get his business together himself. Nas was surrounded by goons wit they hands out. Like I said. Someone like Dame or Diddy wouldve MADE SURE his album release wasnt botched like that. Columbia dropped the fukkin ball on him hardbody. nikkas was finding 50k bootlegs in garages. U think a nikka like Dame wouldnt have been in the offices barking at every Exec for that type of negligence?

 

[spliz]

The idea that Dame would single handedly prevent the most anticipated NY album of its time getting bootlegged is laughable. I agree Dame would have had Nas in better position on a variety of issues at that time IF Nas would listen to him (unlikely IMO given his personality)...but it doesn't change the fact that Nas was going to get bootlegged, Biggie was gonna crush the building with radio singles, etc.

If anything Dame would have had Nas rapping over some type of wack of Aint No nikka type track for radio play.

Son. Columbia botched a bunch of hip hop releases. Not just Nas’. Noone can stop ur shyt from getting bootlegged. But that whole shyt was VERY mismanaged. Illmatic wasnt the ONLY anticipated album around that time frame.

 

[spliz]

nikkas is dead mad at Nas for saying he wish he had someone more business savvy in his corner coming in the game. God damn.

 

[tuckgod]

That’s not bullshyt. Serch put him on. But damn sure aint teach him the business. His BUSINESS wasnt right. Jungle even speaks on how Nas had to navigate on his own. Large Pro was just a producer/rapper tryna get his business together himself. Nas was surrounded by goons wit they hands out. Like I said. Someone like Dame or Diddy wouldve MADE SURE his album release wasnt botched like that. Columbia dropped the fukkin ball on him hardbody. nikkas was finding 50k bootlegs in garages. U think a nikka like Dame wouldnt have been in the offices barking at every Exec for that type of negligence?

I respect that.

92/93 was a different time in hip hop though.

Wasn’t no Dames running around barking on labels, nikkas was just happy to hear their shyt on the radio.

And tbh everybody was getting bootlegged crazy back then, Nas just got it bad because nikkas wanted Illmatic that bad.

His buzz was CRAZY.

By the time hip hop went corporate in 96, he had a corporate nikka holding him down.

 

[MikeStamina]

That’s bullshyt too.

The whole industry was with Nas leading up to Illmatic.

Extra P held him down at the very beginning and got his name poppin, while putting him in the studio while Rakim was recording, and guest starring him on his own debut album.

MC Serch got the man like the greatest record deal ever for a rapper at the time and hip hop’s greatest East Coast producers at the time all came together to make sure the beats on his debut was as ill as his rhymes.

It's absolutely laughable how people are jumping all over the place missing a very simple point.
Putting their own twist to the shyt.
You probably can write a better book on nas life than he can right? Y'all funny

 

[spliz]

I respect that.

92/93 was a different time in hip hop though.

Wasn’t no Dames running around barking on labels, nikkas was just happy to hear their shyt on the radio.

And tbh everybody was getting bootlegged crazy back then, Nas just got it bad because nikkas wanted Illmatic that bad.

His buzz was CRAZY.

By the time hip hop went corporate in 96, he had a corporate nikka holding him down.

Jay had a Dame tho. That’s all Nas was tryna say. And Puff was out there. He’s just saying he wish he had someone to really show him the ropes and have his back on the business side of things. Them same people u named. Like Large Pro and Serch n them. Turned their back on him and was bitter towards him for trying to take control of his career after not only did people bootleg instead of buy his shyt. He got snubbed by the publication that gave him his 5 mics. They got mad cause he went a direction they didn't like for IWW and damn near publicly shamed him. Premo was the only one who stayed on the level with him and that’s prolly why he got placements on that album his next 3 albums after that and the rest of them didnt. Except Large Pro who got back wit him for Stillmatic.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Son. Columbia botched a bunch of hip hop releases. Not just Nas’. Noone can stop ur shyt from getting bootlegged. But that whole shyt was VERY mismanaged. Illmatic wasnt the ONLY anticipated album around that time frame.

Exactly. So how does Dame prevent bootlegging hurting an album that had no hit radio records? I don't get how Dame helps Nas at that time...and given Nas is NOT a hustler like Jay and Dame, I don't see the marriage working out well. How would Dame react to someone missing interviews, disappearing, not doing shows, etc lol?

If you want to argue that Nas needed Dame at a later point in his career...fine, I'd agree. Dame being in the camp during IWW would have been interesting. Stoute would be the head honcho obviously, but having Dame there to constantly argue for the streets/hood would have been interesting and perhaps IWW would have been different; maybe they would have had more non-Trackmasters producers on there to perhaps avoid complaints about the production being too clean. Maybe Dame brings in RZA for a beat, maybe he gets a Premo banger alongside I Gave You Power, etc.

 

[tuckgod]

It's absolutely laughable how people are jumping all over the place missing a very simple point.
Putting their own twist to the shyt.
You probably can write a better book on nas life than he can right? Y'all funny

Nah, I just know Nas had it good compared to a lot of other rappers at the time.

I’m not the one for googling and posting Vlad vids, but Serch breaks down Nas’s deal compared to other rappers at the time, confirmed that he’s always owned his own publishing, and I haven’t heard Nas or anyone else dispute what he said.

1:07 “Nas sold 165k 1st week, recouped everything he owed the label that week, and was a millionaire instantly”


2:25 “Nas owns all of his publishing, always has.”


Not bad for a rapper that supposedly never had anybody in his corner.

How many other rappers from the early 90s can say they’ve had more points on their records than fukkin Billy Joel and has owned all of their publishing since they came out?

Nobody.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Right.

During the years when he’s saying he needed a Dame.

he's means his intro into the game i.e. 91 to Illmatic years

 

[IllmaticDelta]

That’s not bullshyt. Serch put him on. But damn sure aint teach him the business. His BUSINESS wasnt right. Jungle even speaks on how Nas had to navigate on his own. Large Pro was just a producer/rapper tryna get his business together himself. Nas was surrounded by goons wit they hands out. Like I said. Someone like Dame or Diddy wouldve MADE SURE his album release wasnt botched like that. Columbia dropped the fukkin ball on him hardbody. nikkas was finding 50k bootlegs in garages. U think a nikka like Dame wouldnt have been in the offices barking at every Exec for that type of negligence?

facts

 

[tuckgod]

Jay had a Dame tho. That’s all Nas was tryna say. And Puff was out there. He’s just saying he wish he had someone to really show him the ropes and have his back on the business side of things. Them same people u named. Like Large Pro and Serch n them. Turned their back on him and was bitter towards him for trying to take control of his career after not only did people bootleg instead of buy his shyt. He got snubbed by the publication that gave him his 5 mics. They got mad cause he went a direction they didn't like for IWW and damn near publicly shamed him. Premo was the only one who stayed on the level with him and that’s prolly why he got placements on that album his next 3 albums after that and the rest of them didnt. Except Large Pro who got back wit him for Stillmatic.

I feel that too and what I’m saying is by the time Jay had Dame, Nas had Stoute. (In ‘96)

It’s easy to say no one taught you the business but you gotta be a man and learn your own business especially when you have the privilege of being around business minded people.

Let’s be honest, Nas is a HEAVY weed smoker and we all know weed smokers ain’t always on top of their shyt.

Jay wasn’t a weed smoker at that time and was smart enough to learn the business then make his own moves.

 

[spliz]

Exactly. So how does Dame prevent bootlegging hurting an album that had no hit radio records? I don't get how Dame helps Nas at that time...and given Nas is NOT a hustler like Jay and Dame, I don't see the marriage working out well. How would Dame react to someone missing interviews, disappearing, not doing shows, etc lol?

If you want to argue that Nas needed Dame at a later point in his career...fine, I'd agree. Dame being in the camp during IWW would have been interesting. Stoute would be the head honcho obviously, but having Dame there to constantly argue for the streets/hood would have been interesting and perhaps IWW would have been different; maybe they would have had more non-Trackmasters producers on there to perhaps avoid complaints about the production being too clean. Maybe Dame brings in RZA for a beat, maybe he gets a Premo banger alongside I Gave You Power, etc.

No. Nas wouldve went Gold if it wasnt bootlegged so heavy. Most people had the album before it was even out. It got bootlegged so bad that he HAD to release it. There was supposed to be more songs on the album. Faith Newman said this out her own mouth. Yall talkin like yall know more than the people that was actually there. For instance. This SAME thing happened with I Am. But with him having Stoute. He was able to bounce back from it and still went triple plat. Cause Stoute had the BUSINESS mind to navigate what Nas’ should do in that situation. And what u talkin bout glossy? fukk was so glossy about IWW? Nas had Premo, Stretch from Live Squad, and Havoc on production as well on IWW. Which sounded LESS glossy than Ready To Die which came out 2 years earlier, which sounded LESS glossy than the album Jay dropped the year after. And LESS glossy than Jay’s main single for Reasonable Doubt. nikkas was more mad at the damn production credits than the actual production. Dame damn sure wouldnt have had IWW sounding any more street than it already did. IWW was street as fukk and THAT’s the REAL reason nikkas was mad.