I had no idea that Max Martin was fukking with the Weeknd. I should've known

[Mac Casper]

@scuba you're doing the Lord's work (even though there is no God)

Most of these cats dikkriding pop are so woefully uninformed about the genre.

Look up the history. Pop started out as "a collection of the most popular songs regardless of genre" and turned into a whole genre by itself. A genre that mishmashes and waters down other popular, polarizing genres.

Simp nikkas

It didn't start out as that

that's what it is and always has been

which is what I mentioned earlier when I highlighted pop adopting EDM influence


Most radio hip-hop . . is pop

 

[Pazzy]

Just because he makes successful hits doesn't make him shyt. Seen his production credits and the people he works for and . No thank you.


And I really don't take the input of the booths views on r&b seriously. Ya'll the same ones that tried to say the dream had talent making the same fecal matter like the weekend is doing now. Both of those dudes CANNOT sing and rely heavily on production to carry them. Always dikk riding these half assed singers with a buzz and radio play instead of having a mind of your own. Smh. Don't front like ya'll ain't liking this guys shyt because it's cool to like him like Alicia Keys was at one point as bad as a singer and as overrated as she was.

 

[Mac Casper]

Just because he makes successful hits doesn't make him shyt. Seen his production credits and the people he works for and . No thank you.


And I really don't take the input of the booths views on r&b seriously. Ya'll the same ones that tried to say the dream had talent making the same fecal matter like the weekend is doing now. Both of those dudes CANNOT sing and rely heavily on production to carry them. Always dikk riding these half assed singers with a buzz and radio play instead of having a mind of your own. Smh. Don't front like ya'll ain't liking this guys shyt because it's cool to like him like Alicia Keys was at one point as bad as a singer and as overrated as she was.

 

[Prominence0]

This is just pure bullshyt. Music is music and there's no such thing as "lowest common denominator" when you're talking about subjective music opinions. If we're really going to make a musical hierarchy, rap music is on the exact same level as pop (perhaps lower in terms of actual musical content), ranking under jazz and classical.

I find it very perplexing and bizarre that you would try to elevate your preferred genre as if you're listening to some high art. On a purely musical level the differences between pop and rap are not actually that numerous. Both utilize relatively simple chord progressions and tend to stay strictly in key. Rap is heavily focused on rhythm much more than popular music is. And if you really analyze both genres, there tends to be a limited palette in terms of subject matter.

How is there really any difference between the two genres? Strip away the meaningless cultural bullshyt and you have two genres of music that are pretty much the same in terms of how easily ready for mass consumption they are. Both jazz and classical feature much more complex chord progressions, modulations, borrowed and applied chords as well as melodic development that require a higher knowledge of compositional skill and an understanding of complex theory concepts.

If you really wanna act like your music taste is superior you better come thru with solid reasons why or else you just look like an elitist fool.

EDIT: Yes, there are outliers in terms of lyrical content in BOTH genres. However, as a whole subject matters tend to be fairly homogeneous

nikka, you gonna write a whole book. Wtf, why would anybody sit a and read your pile of shyt?

Go sit in a corner fakkit.

 

[Majestyx]

Dudes... problem here is pop is used to mean more than one thing. Pop music has a specific meaning as a musical genre. There is no debate to this. Its been documented by multiple sources for multiple decades.

Lets take it away from Hip Hop because i think folks sensibilities are being clouded.

We are in america, Country music is immensely popular. Country music stars routinely outsell the majority of pop stars. Country music does NOT get play on pop music channels. Even an artist who was an established Country artist like Taylor Swift, who had legit country hits had to change to a pop style to get pop play. Pop music doesnt mean music that is popular. Pop music takes elements from many styles including country, but it also explicitly cuts off the most distinguishing key elements of the source music to get a style that is palatable across the boards. In regards to Country that means stripping away number one the strong southern accent. When Taylor Swift hits 28 and is re marketed to her country roots, the first thing you gonna notice is the southern accent is going to be back. Number two is stripping out the 7th chords to majors except maybe dominant 7ths. It means changing instrumentation. Removing extensive guitar vamps. Downplaying the specificity of the narratives to more generically appealing approach... country music characteristic is its specificity in its story telling...

Thats what pop is... its not just ohh a song is popular so its pop... thats why country hits dont get play on pop charts... because country music for all its popularity is a hate it or love it affair. Pop music is about the broadest possible accessibility i e the lowest common denominator of elements.

Another non Hip Hop angle is Adult Contemporary R&B. That doesnt really mean R&B for old folks, it doesnt mean old school R&B it is a specific genre...

Some Adult Contemporary R&B songs are wildly popular. Adult Contemporary R&B singles dont outsell pop stars singles, but their album sales can sometimes outsell pop albums sales. This is a popular music form. This music doesn't play on pop radio channels even if the song in question in question is a hit popular record.

Another non Hip Hop angle is Rock. Which is the MOST ICONIC and historically has been the most popular music form in america.

Whats the last rock song that was a hit on Pop radio? Yet these dudes are selling albums... Selling out tours... BUT they wont get pop airplay... the whole pop music genre was specifically designed to be 'rock' without all the edges...

This is not even debatable... pop music is a specific genre... it evolves over time... but it is a specific genre...

let me try once again to explain pop, but let me take hip hop out of it so we dont have a debate ...

say you have a world where the most popular genres are Country, R&B, Dance and Rock. HOWEVER the important thing is there isnt just attraction to music, there is repulsion as well... Lets say that R&B heads hate Rock and Country. Country heads hate Dance and R&B. Etc... say each audience has 50 million people in it... at anyone one point in the time the most popular best selling product might be a Country or R&B or Dance or Rock song and it might get 50 million in sales... But how do you have a radio station of these popular hits... it will play the most popular rock song, then the most popular R&B, then the most popular Dance, then the most popular Country. But no one will listen to it, they will turn the channel as soon as a genre they don't like comes on... so instead another strategy is what if i focus on making a new genre where i take the elements from each, but i remove the most unique easily identifiable components that are repulsors to other genra audience. Take the accents out of southern, take the distorted guitars out of rock, take the 8 minute length out of Dance add in choruses, take the blackness out of R&B... now you have a genre that no audience hates, no audience loves 100% but can get 25% share from each audience... you can make a radio station for this genre now, you can market it now... and since you can market it across the board to 100% of people over time this genre gets more popular...

and that is LITERALLY what pop music is... Country, R&B, Rock merged in 60s... in the 70s it merged in Dance (Disco)... at the turn of the millennium Hip Hop was merged in... its a distinct genre all its own even though it contains a lot of components from all over the place... its founding principal is sales by way of not OFFENDING musical sensibilities... its literally the venn diagram union of 'like' across the american public...

Sometimes a true rock country r&b or hip hop song can get wildly popular... and depending on how many repulsors it has it can sometimes get play on pop radio... that doesnt make it a pop song... that makes it a crossover...

this isnt my opinion. this is literal documented... rephrase... WELL documented fact.

There are a few books, and a documentary that touches on this. There's a BBC one thats about the 50's or 60's.Good work...

Also... just cuz some dude is rapping, doesnt make the shyt hip hop. drake and sam hunt are the same dude... neither one of them are hip hop but they are both pop

 

[Prominence0]

There are a few books, and a documentary that touches on this. There's a BBC one thats about the 50's or 60's.Good work...

Also... just cuz some dude is rapping, doesnt make the shyt hip hop. drake and sam hunt are the same dude... neither one of them are hip hop but they are both pop

Very true indeed.

 

[Art Barr]

Dark horse is also a hip hop song, whether you want to admit it or not. Did it get play on hip hop stations? Yes. Did it get play in hip hop clubs? Yes. Were we discussing it on hip hop forums? Yes. You don't get to pick and choose what is hip hop and what isn't to support your argument.

"Just because it has a hip hop beat and there's a guy rapping on it doesn't make it a hip hop song"

You, think dark horse is a cultural expression of the culture of hip hop,...really.

Art Barr

Toys need to go play with a pocket three eighty aimed at their face

 

[Prominence0]

You, think dark horse is a cultural expression of the culture of hip hop,...really.

Art Barr

Toys need to go play with a pocket three eighty aimed at their face

@Art Barr You post game is fukking horrible now, you really fell duh fukk of brah.

 

[Quinton Barnes]

nikka, you gonna write a whole book. Wtf, why would anybody sit a and read your pile of shyt?

Go sit in a corner fakkit.

I've never seen you post anything constructive. Just ad hominems. It's funny how you complain about how long it is only cause you have nothing of value to say.

 

[Pazzy]

if that's the case, vanilla ice would be one of the g.o.a.t's. how many rap artists have gone diamond?

 

[Asicz]

Rhythmic contemporary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Prominence0]

I've never seen you post anything constructive. Just ad hominems. It's funny how you complain about how long it is only cause you have nothing of value to say.

I dapped you because you're going to be a future great poster, no sarcasm.

 

[Insensitive]

Some of the music being posted in here is triddash.
@ Country cats taking break beats and scratching
just to play banjo's over that shyt.

 

[Prominence0]

if that's the case, vanilla ice would be one of the g.o.a.t's. how many rap artists have gone diamond?

Lots of cacs.

 

[Art Barr]

@Art Barr You post game is fukking horrible now, you really fell duh fukk of brah.

Somebody who never had a post game.
Is not qualified to speak on guys with hof post game in a negative tone.

Art Barr