I hope Jay Z rhymes like Common Sense on his next album

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Whats hating about that? He said if he could he would "rhyme like Common". Now he can and he is going even more Euro. The music he makes is at odds with the music he claims to want to make and there is no reason why that should be that isn't within his power. He could do a RD tour and sell out worldwide, demand is not the problem. Hes worth half a billy, food on the table is not a problem. He is the head of his label, politics are not the problem. Why hasn't Jay made the album he claims he wants to make?


Is this false? Most people who buy dude's discs are not downloading them, or they are and copping anyway. They prob own a couple of his discs and cop within the first month of release. Those are loyal fans. It wasn't a swipe, it is what it is



I dont hold a grudge with Jay fans, I am a Jay fan. I bump AG & WTT, Im not one of those "he needs to go back in time" nikkas

But as a fan I'm insulted by the premise that by enjoying his new shyt I'm dumb, as well as the lie that he went commercial because he had to, as opposed to him going commercial because he wanted to/it was an evolution of his sound and natural progression in line with his life. He couldn't reconcile with the evolution of his sound, so he blamed his fans :aicmon:

Im insulted by the gross hypocrisy of his blatant marketing ploys... i.e. The "Black Album", a no promotion album coupled w/a world tour :aicmon: "Death Of Autotune" on TBA and then Ghetto Techno + Drake features on BP3

Just cause I'm a fan doesn't mean I can't call BS when I see it, and I'm that way w/any artist I like

I hate fans who treat their favorite rappers like their dads... shyt even when my dad is on some bullshyt I call him on it. You nikkas need to stop taking shyt so personal its just music

Now hes rich, hes got the critical acclaim, hes got the fanbase that will buy a million discs, where is the straight spitting disc? Where is the album full of Grammy Family freestyles? shyt when's the last time Jay did a free mixtape?
Jay is one of them, but even if he wasn't why would it matter?
1. You do realize that the man is 43 years old right?
2. That he is trying to do different shyt, with different albums. BP3 was for world tours, foreign awards, grammys, he wanted to make an album that even cats that can't speak English will fukk with and he did it successfully. And there was no gimmick in it, where was the auto-tune on it? Where was the techno on it? The album before that was what his longtime fans got which was American Gangster.
3. What is straight spitting? Jay-z is an artist, not a Lloyd Banks type of rapper.
He's never been a "straight spit" artist, he makes songs. Concepts, flows, deliveries etc. He proved that with BP1, which he claims he didn't rap like Common but it's better than any Common album and Common is generally a top 10 rapper.

Jay doesn't have a lot of time left (unless WTT was his last project as a top tier rapper then it's already over), most rappers, tastemakers and shyt already consider him top 3 when it comes to skills. So him not doing what he's done a bunch of times before is kinda understood. And it's also the reason to why he stays on top and is the top 3 most interesting rapper year after year. If he did the same spitting game over soulful samples, in his comfort zone he'd not be very interesting. He'd be out now doing 300k (if that) and getting 4 mic reviews (and have some stans calling it classic music). Or not dropping music at all. And you can figure out which rappers belongs to which group.
 

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1. You do realize that the man is 43 years old right?
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2. That he is trying to do different shyt, with different albums. BP3 was for world tours, foreign awards, grammys, he wanted to make an album that even cats that can't speak English will fukk with and he did it successfully. And there was no gimmick in it, where was the auto-tune on it? Where was the techno on it? The album before that was what his longtime fans got which was American Gangster.

BP3 was garbage to me but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that. AG was a decent disc but again it was Jay playing it safe. He played on a lot of old familiar themes (drug talk + soul samples), he piggybacked the promo onto a blockbuster movie w/o actually officially affiliating with it, etc.

3. What is straight spitting? Jay-z is an artist, not a Lloyd Banks type of rapper.

He's never been a "straight spit" artist, he makes songs.
You nouveau Jay stans kill me. At least do your history





So Ghetto, What You Think Of That, U Don't Know yadda yadda yadda. Not to mention all the freestyles :what: You post like a Jay stan who jumped on the bandwagon after BP2.1 :aicmon:


Concepts, flows, deliveries etc. He proved that with BP1, which he claims he didn't rap like Common but it's better than any Common album and Common is generally a top 10 rapper.
He didn't feel he was better than Common, or at least that he had achieved something in line with what Common achieved, or he wouldn't have said that shyt

Jay doesn't have a lot of time left (unless WTT was his last project as a top tier rapper then it's already over), most rappers, tastemakers and shyt already consider him top 3 when it comes to skills. So him not doing what he's done a bunch of times before is kinda understood. And it's also the reason to why he stays on top and is the top 3 most interesting rapper year after year. If he did the same spitting game over soulful samples, in his comfort zone he'd not be very interesting. He'd be out now doing 300k (if that) and getting 4 mic reviews (and have some stans calling it classic music). Or not dropping music at all. And you can figure out which rappers belongs to which group.

Right... he doesn't have much time left, which is all the more reason to take risks, instead of continue to water down his music and play it safe. Selling discs is not the issue, Kingdom Come is a platinum disc and was a #1 release. He's made and sold millions and done numerous sold out tours. He's cultivated a fan base. He's created a brand and elevated rap to a level of cultural and financial legitimacy dudes before him never dreamed of. Yadda yadda. So again, if he was sincere in his claim that he'd be rapping more like Talib and Common if he had the freedom to? When has he ever been more free as an artist than now?
 
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Right... he doesn't have much time left, which is all the more reason to take risks, instead of continue to water down his music and play it safe. Selling discs is not the issue, Kingdom Come is a platinum disc and was a #1 release. He's made and sold millions and done numerous sold out tours. He's cultivated a fan base. He's created a brand and elevated rap to a level of cultural and financial legitimacy dudes before him never dreamed of. Yadda yadda. So again, if he was sincere in his claim that he'd be rapping more like Talib and Common if he had the freedom to? When has he ever been more free as an artist than now?

But his last solo album he didnt play it safe at all so what are u sayin breh?
He already took risks on his last solo album, and it got mixed reviews

He did what u jus said u wanted him to do but u pass it off as trash and thats fine, but dont act as if BP3 was some safe album breh :rudy:
 

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But his last solo album he didnt play it safe at all so what are u sayin breh?
He already took risks on his last solo album, and it got mixed reviews

He did what u jus said u wanted him to do but u pass it off as trash and thats fine, but dont act as if BP3 was some safe album breh :rudy:
What risks did he take on BP3?

Production by Kanye, Swizz and Timbo :comeon:

Features from Kanye, Alicia Keys, Young Jeezy, Drake, J. Cole :mjpls:

Lead singles featuring Alicia Keys and Rihanna :aicmon:

And it got good reviews. 65 on Metacritic

Like Harry B said BP3 was catered for blockbuster success... which is fine, Jay's gotta eat + stack bwued, but the point is he could do better

Jay hasn't taken a creative risk since BP1
 

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What risks did he take on BP3?

Production by Kanye, Swizz and Timbo :comeon:

Features from Kanye, Alicia Keys, Young Jeezy, Drake, J. Cole :mjpls:

Lead singles featuring Alicia Keys and Rihanna :aicmon:

And it got good reviews. 65 on Metacritic

Like Harry B said BP3 was catered for blockbuster success... which is fine, Jay's gotta eat + stack bwued, but the point is he could do better

Jay hasn't taken a creative risk since BP1

nikka Did BP3 sound anything like any of his previous work?

You're talking as if those features somehow kept him safe..nikka plz

That nikka was spitting on odd beats and not only that he switched up his flow alot of times

Example
The whole punchline themed song Venus vs Mars
obviously Jay was doing something different with that song

Or how about Off that..that beat was so out of the ordinary for a 20 year vet to spit on but he carried that beat well

Theres more examples but Jay took many creative risks when it came to the sound and the flows he used in that album.I dnt give a fiduck abidout the bridacks dat u used to move :ahh:
 

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why would Hov rap like Common Sense when ya'll nikkaz don't even check for Common. Common raps like Common and his last cd was forgotten (unfortunately cause it was dope) the week after it came out.
 

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BP3 was garbage to me but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that. AG was a decent disc but again it was Jay playing it safe. He played on a lot of old familiar themes (drug talk + soul samples), he piggybacked the promo onto a blockbuster movie w/o actually officially affiliating with it, etc.


You nouveau Jay stans kill me. At least do your history

*RARE* (UNRELEASED)*JAY Z & SAUCE MONEY- RIPPIN IT UP, RIGHT - YouTube
Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt track # 7.22 Two's - YouTube
Jay-Z - Face Off (Featuring Sauce Money) - YouTube
Jay-Z - Reservoir Dogs (Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life) - YouTube
So Ghetto, What You Think Of That, U Don't Know yadda yadda yadda. Not to mention all the freestyles :what: You post like a Jay stan who jumped on the bandwagon after BP2.1 :aicmon:



He didn't feel he was better than Common, or at least that he had achieved something in line with what Common achieved, or he wouldn't have said that shyt



Right... he doesn't have much time left, which is all the more reason to take risks, instead of continue to water down his music and play it safe. Selling discs is not the issue, Kingdom Come is a platinum disc and was a #1 release. He's made and sold millions and done numerous sold out tours. He's cultivated a fan base. He's created a brand and elevated rap to a level of cultural and financial legitimacy dudes before him never dreamed of. Yadda yadda. So again, if he was sincere in his claim that he'd be rapping more like Talib and Common if he had the freedom to? When has he ever been more free as an artist than now?
The fact that you call me a new stan is fukking laughable.
I can give you just as many story telling tracks, concept tracks, socially conscious tracks but is it enough to call him a socially conscious rapper etc?
He's the most flexible rapper of all time imo, and he comes from the the freestyle essence of hiphop. But he did not get appreciated until he dropped that style and dropped Reasonable Doubt. Which had 22 2s as it's only straight spitting track. Straight spitting rappers are rappers like Jadakiss. I assume that when you're talking about Jay you do it from RD and on and not pre RD, cause he was average at best before RD. Just spitting random lines. 1 song per album is not enough for me to box you in. Might as well call Nas a balling/flashy lifestyle rapper.

And how was BP3 safe? Safe for Jay-z is not songs like Empire State of Mind or A star is born, he's never even tried that shyt before. Safe for Jay is shyt like Black Album, Blueprint, RD shyt like 22 2s, shyt like Big Pimpin and whatever shyt you cats want him to do. That's probably why he wont drop those type of projects again, if you want them, they're easily accessed on youtube, spotify and on.

Like Ice Cube, dude has never stepped out of his comfort zone, he's been on his shyt since 87 and that's why cats lost interest and why the music declined. I as a real fan, don't wanna hear Jay-z do something that nikkas beneath him are doing. I would rather see him do some average shyt like BP3 that's completely different from what anyone has done. Just like I don't wanna see Kobe try to play like A.I.

Him saying he wanted o spit like Kweli and Common is a figure of speech, metaphor, to move on to some of the greatest rhymes on the album which is the reason to why he said Common Sense and not another rapper like Mos Def or someone who he's mentioned in his top 5 or top 10 etc which anyone who has bumped enough Jigga could understand. He wants to drop underground music, but he'd rather drop bangers (what is better, idk), nikkas like you criticized him for it but you still fainted 11 times when they dropped nikkas in Paris and still bump faint when he drops Blueprint tracks during shows.
 

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The fact that you call me a new stan is fukking laughable.
I can give you just as many story telling tracks, concept tracks, socially conscious tracks but is it enough to call him a socially conscious rapper etc?
He's the most flexible rapper of all time imo, and he comes from the the freestyle essence of hiphop. But he did not get appreciated until he dropped that style and dropped Reasonable Doubt. Which had 22 2s as it's only straight spitting track. Straight spitting rappers are rappers like Jadakiss. I assume that when you're talking about Jay you do it from RD and on and not pre RD, cause he was average at best before RD. Just spitting random lines. 1 song per album is not enough for me to box you in. Might as well call Nas a balling/flashy lifestyle rapper.
Jay was a straight spit artist when he first started and has dived back into that role numerous times during his career. "Straight spitting" is one of the many things he can and has done

And how was BP3 safe? Safe for Jay-z is not songs like Empire State of Mind or A star is born, he's never even tried that shyt before. Safe for Jay is shyt like Black Album, Blueprint, RD shyt like 22 2s, shyt like Big Pimpin and whatever shyt you cats want him to do. That's probably why he wont drop those type of projects again, if you want them, they're easily accessed on youtube, spotify and on.
ESOM was safe because its essentially the 2012 "New York New York" by Frank Sinatra. Big anthem production, 4 minutes of bigging up NYC, Alicia Keys on the hook, :comeon: It was a bunt

A star is born wasn't "safe" but it wasn't a creative risk either. Promo for J-Cole and a throwaway single essentially

Like Ice Cube, dude has never stepped out of his comfort zone, he's been on his shyt since 87 and that's why cats lost interest and why the music declined. I as a real fan, don't wanna hear Jay-z do something that nikkas beneath him are doing. I would rather see him do some average shyt like BP3 that's completely different from what anyone has done. Just like I don't wanna see Kobe try to play like A.I.
How is BP3 different from anything anyone has done? He worked w/a bunch of popular producers he's worked with before and had some big name features... the only real "risk" he took was featuring J-Cole, who just happens to be an artist on his label

Him saying he wanted o spit like Kweli and Common is a figure of speech, metaphor, to move on to some of the greatest rhymes on the album which is the reason to why he said Common Sense and not another rapper like Mos Def or someone who he's mentioned in his top 5 or top 10 etc which anyone who has bumped enough Jigga could understand. He wants to drop underground music, but he'd rather drop bangers (what is better, idk), nikkas like you criticized him for it but you still fainted 11 times when they dropped nikkas in Paris and still bump faint when he drops Blueprint tracks during shows.

I dont faint at Jay shows, you do, stop projecting

And again, 1 why does what you want trump what everyone else, including Jay himself, wants ("I dont want jay to regress/do what everyone else is doing/has been done before")? You still didn't answer the question in the context of what Jay said... Jay said if skills sold he would rap like skilled rappers... well now anything he does will sell, he's literally the freest rapper in the game, so why doesn't he make that "skills" album now?
 

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nikka Did BP3 sound anything like any of his previous work?

You're talking as if those features somehow kept him safe..nikka plz

That nikka was spitting on odd beats and not only that he switched up his flow alot of times

Example
The whole punchline themed song Venus vs Mars
obviously Jay was doing something different with that song

Or how about Off that..that beat was so out of the ordinary for a 20 year vet to spit on but he carried that beat well

Theres more examples but Jay took many creative risks when it came to the sound and the flows he used in that album.I dnt give a fiduck abidout the bridacks dat u used to move :ahh:

Jay always switches up his flow. Thats how he stays fresh and thats why hes one of the best to ever do it.

And there were no risks on that album bruh.
 

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And again, 1 why does what you want trump what everyone else, including Jay himself, wants ("I dont want jay to regress/do what everyone else is doing/has been done before")? You still didn't answer the question in the context of what Jay said... Jay said if skills sold he would rap like skilled rappers... well now anything he does will sell, he's literally the freest rapper in the game, so why doesn't he make that "skills" album now?

You seem to like to refer to Jay -Z's music alot for argument so allow me to do same in answering as to why while Jay continues to recreate himself but doesnt stray too far away from the formula that makes him Jay

Also side note..plz dont believe that RD Jay is anything like common or kwali in any way

Now as to answer your question.. this song will do




Contrary to what most people on this board believe, Jay loves rap
he's been in this game for decades..
Jay cares about winning and cares heavily about the competitive aspect of rap moreso than many of the other living vets

Yea he come of cocky but thats cuz he loves rap, he loves the competition
and he wants to win.

Meehh jus listen to the song.. and see what I mean:jawalrus:
 
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