I just found the goat site..http://talkaboutmarriage.com/coping-infidelity/

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sory breh :( and i bet you were sincere

but cotdamn that bytch was ruthless :whew:

I was doing the typical shyt. Making excuses for her. Blaming myself for being too cold to her. The funny shyt was that when I was a cold a$$hole towards her she stayed in line. It was only when I got soft and all emotional and shyt with her that she started creeping on me.

But after I came to my senses and really realized how bad she had played me and all the signs I ignored I learned big time not to let emotions get in the way of reality. Anybody that's ever been cheated on can tell you that there are always huge red flags that they convince themselves to ignore.
 

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like i always tell you guys, wife single moms brehs

In my recent thread, I discussed with you guys about my wife possibly having an affair with her ex (my stepdaughters father). After the good useful advice you guys gave me and installing a VAR in her car, I caught her red handed. I confronted her about it, never revealing my resources and told her that I know and theres no reason to lie. Well, she tried to lie at first and then she finally came clean.
On the Recorder, she calls him the love of her life! She talks about him all the time to her friends and when she talks about me, she complains about what I'm not doing and makes me look bad. She picks him up in OUR car while I'm at work and spends the day with him. All her friends (who I liked) knew about this affair. I know she hasen't had sex with him because she told her friends that she's not having sex with anyone random but, if she decided that, it would be with him.

Our marriage had its ups and down, but I never emotionally or physically abused her. I thought I was the ideal husband. I worked 7 days a week, she worked part time. We have a stepdaughter together. Yeah, I do t think she's over him. The way she talked about him was really irritating! She just loves this dude. I'm done!

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the guy: I see her mindset and you didn't confuse me. Makes total sense. I continued to record her yesterday and I check the recorder last night. She tells him about all our issues, even after I called this POS the other day! She asks him to come save her!.....and asks him for advice about our marriage. This Shlt is almost comical!
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Natural Heart: According to her, he use to physically abuse her and he was a serial cheater.

So, basically I caught my wife cheating on me and we decided to reconcile. The problem is, half the time I can't even think straight. I want to work through this but, there are so many triggers involved. She cheated on me with her ex(my stepdaughters father). I must admit, I was being an a-hole today, but sometimes when I look at her I see the enemy. She hurt me so bad! My stepdaughter looks just like him and it makes me sick. How could I ever trust her again? How do I get past this, or is the damage permanent?



byranp: I've been married for 5 years. I don't think she thought of anything besides herself when this occured. She was actually telling this SOB that she loved him and this is really hard to deal with.
I know for a fact that if the tables were turned, she would dare put up with this.
I'm such a good guy that I became ignorant! She is so happy that we are trying to work things out. I think that she feels like she is off the hook. I don't even think she feels guilty. ME, I think about this every freaking day and I feel like its rotting my brain!
I gave her some hard questions last night and it endend up in an argument. She really has the freaking nerve to be defensive when she was the one who cheated!
I found out through VAR and phone records
She says that we weren't getting along and arguing all the time and I pushed her away.
Its very possible that I could be getting played. Thats why I absolutely can't let my guard down.


keep wifing thems ingle moms brehs :mandela:
 

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So the short background, my WW has had 5 x EA's and 1 x PA which culminated in her being caught just shy of "the act" (or maybe in the act) by my 17yr daughter. December 12th 2012.....I was on business in Malaysia and receiving "normal" loving bbm messages from her and sending same in reply....from her things like "missing you so much....cant wait for you to get home" ...you get the picture.

After the previous EA 6yrs back, we had gone to MC and I thought it had been well out to her what she needed to do for herself to avoid getting into situations with men that were inappropriate for a married woman. She had been the one to push the MC'ing back then because I was halfway out the door....I wouldn't say "begged"....more like "please please will you at least try to come with me....I'm so sorry for what I've done"

So I went and as I said, the experience was good for both of us. Moving on from there, I obviously did have trust issues which MC pointed out to her were of course perfectly normal for someone in my situation; for my part I asked, "how do I ever trust her again?" to which the MC replied, "in the absence of proof to the contrary, give her your trust but she's on a short leash. Any indiscretion on her part not on"....

WW played the game (in the positive sense) and gradually, the trust returned and indeed I would say I felt our relationship blossomed into something even better than before; I eventually had total total trust in her; example, was always nervous of her going out with the girls but even that became a no event for me.

The response to my trusting her appeared to be a very positive one and overall, as i said above, I felt that we'd really moved into a fantastic space.

Imagine then my devastation now.......

My WW had begged my daughter of 17 not to "out her" to me when I came back from Malaysia; to Caryn she said, "I cant ruin Christmas for Dad and the family but I promise I'll tell him in the New Year".......

So I get home and things seem perfectly normal; engage in love making as normal (2 to 3 times per week) fun, laughing. I booked us a weekend at a 5 star Health Spa Resort as a family for the weekend before Christmas and all seemed fantastic.

New Years eve, great celebration with family friends who we hadn't seen in ages and on the stroke of midnight the usual exchanges of happiness and jollyment etc; I say to the WW before a long passionate kiss, "we've had a tough year with all my travelling but 2013 is going to be awesome"......"I'm so looking forward to it" says she......

And so the ruse continued until Feb 2nd.....D DAY!!!! My Dad turned 70 on 5th Feb so my brother and his wife came out from Kuwait where he works for KPC Oil and we were setting up for an awesome celebration week for the 'ol man.

Barbeque on the first evening they arrive, I was in training for an offroad race in Romania so wasnt drinking but my bro said "Come on man, one beer isnt going to kill the training".... as a joke I sat on my Moms stationary spinning bike on the patio while drinking my beer and there's a good old laugh going around.

WW takes picture and sends to my personal trainer for a joke (he's the owner of the gym where she works). I go in the house a short while later and her phone beeps (it was on the dining room table) so naturally I assumed it was Cameron replying with a "chirp".... I should state at this point that I hadn't touched her phone or gone through her messages in 5 years...total trust remember.

I picked up the phone and opened the BBM message and my world as I knew it exploded......the message wasnt from Cam... no the message was from her karate instructor and read, "missing kissing you so much....hope we can get together again soon. Love U xxx (little "lovestruck face")

I put the phone down, went to the bathroom and hurled....I composed myself and went back out through the dining room to see WW as the realisation hit her that I had read the message.... she went pale but said nothing.

Since D-Day I have been to the brink of a breakdown, my daughter is in therapy where she should have been in December having been confronted by this naked F**KER in her home and my world is now very different.

We went back to the MC we had seen after the previous EA and he was harsh with her; to the point I eventually said take it easy. WW refused to go back saying its not constructive.

We get a call from the therapist my daughter is seeing and she asks to see the 2 of us; I assumed to discuss our precious child and her progress. She did talk about Caryn for a while then said, "how are you 2 doing"......She has a very gentle nature and I find her to be a genuine person and WW immediately felt at ease. MC number 2 enter the picture.

I figured well, if WW warms to her and is prepared to work with her I'm prepared to try. To put it in perspective, this is about 4 weeks after D Day and the initial anger on my part has turned to numbness and a lot of tears and fighting no for this "marriage"... go figure, I still felt I loved this woman more than anything despite ripping out my beating heart.

She swore blind (as I now know all WS's seem to do) that they never actually had sexual intercourse; strangely I do believe her because she at least admitted that had Caryn not arrived when she did, they would have. This was throw-up number 2 for me in my kitchen sink because when she told me that, the first words out of my mouth were, "did he at least have a condom"....She said no!!! She's on the pill but what about STD's?????? (I insisted that we both got checked the next day and we have had a follow up 3 months later).

So the MC'ing continued and then the discovery of an emotional disconnect from me when my daughter was born....check out my first post I don't want to re-write it all.

Since this point, we have been trying to reconcile..... I have just spent 8days away on a trip to load 2 x ships in Antwerp and it was hell; the trust (or should I say lack thereof) made it torrid. we spoke daily on skype and yes she's really been trying but up to a point....I sense that she's fence sitting.

I have said nothing because frankly its been exhausting and I have been feeling slightly better..... But here's the thing, reading L a S's and Malcolm 38's the other night in a Hotel in Schipol on my way home pushed me over the edge.

I have to go back to Antwerp on Friday 8th June and had arranged for WW to come with me; I saw it as a final "roll of the dice" to see if she would connect. She's obviously "very excited and looking forward to an awesome romantic break" but I don't know if i now want her there.

I'm seeing my brother in the UK (he still has a house there) and thought maybe the time would be better spent clay shooting and walking through the countryside of Kent rather than dropping $6000-00 on the table to spoil a WS.

I'm really at a cross road......fire away at me folks.
 

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WORST ADVICE EVER lol. His friend had to be high while telling him that and just wanting to see the fallout. Or he wanting to pipe the wife hisself. Only way anybody would say some shyt that dumb.

that might be the worst advice i've ever read in my life...wow
 

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poor dan

Broke the two month barrier
Short version for those who haven't followed my original thread:

Wife and I have been together over 13 years, married more than 10. We have an 8 year old daughter (who is amazing). Two months ago (March 26th) she handed me her wedding ring and said we were done. -if you want more details my origingal thread is 13 years gone... 1 month in-

So it's been two months now, wife has gotten a 1 bedroom apartment an hour away. She still has filed no paperwork (stressing over it myself). School is almost over and I'm stressing over how the parenting time will go. Right now my wife has her on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, then she watches her in my home on Friday. I have my daughter on Saturday (though I work that night so my brother watches her while I'm at work) then also on my days off Sunday, and Monday.

I still love my wife very dearly, and would love for this sitiation to reverse itself, but I'm getting closer to the conclusion that it will never happen. She had an emotional affairleading up to herleaving, which became a physical affair the day she left (if not before). Also one more than one occasion she has been verbally abusive towards me while "gas lighting" and "blame shifting" (strange how certian verbage becomes normal after all this)

I still cry almost every day, but haven't at work for over a week. My stomach is still in knots and I still barely eat. Sleep has changed, went from 2 to 4 hours a night to barely being able to get out of bed unless my daughter is home. The "rollercoaster" still has some seriously deep dips and loops.

At this point, I'm not sure what I need. Feeling kinda lost and without direction right now so wanted to start a fresh thread to see if some new perspectives could help.

Thanks for reading,
Dan
 

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Im new to this forum and am going through a very rough time. My wife of almost 7 years ( been together for 9) just told me recently that she has been unhappy for years. She says I haven't done anything wrong but she feels no connection with me. She told me she feels like there never was any love between us and that she thinks she married me because her friends were married. I was completely blindsided as I has no clue she could possibly feel this way. I am a teacher and a coach and I left for one night to a coaches clinic thinking we were fine and when I came back everything was different. With no hint or explanation she had stopped talking to me almost entirely except for very mean comments when I tried to talk to her. After a week of that I finally sat her down after putting our child to bed and asked her what was going on. Thats when she broke this bombshell on me and even got irritated that I didn't know and didn't feel the same way. And she showed no emotion at all when telling me how unhappy she was with me, almost happy to tell me.

We have one child together, a four YO girl. Neither of us had children before. I want to go to marriage counseling and see if there is any way to save our marriage. She decided to try individual therapy instead and told me her therapist suggested a trial separation and also marriage counseling. I don't feel like she really wants to do marriage counseling but I am hoping she will at least try it. I just can't believe that she has been lying to me and herself for nine years about how she feels about me. I know in my heart there was love there between us and a real connection at the beginning and I want to believe that if we could open up to each other we could get that back and save our marriage. But with the way she acts when she is near me I also wonder if I'm in denial.

Our daughter has caught on to our tensions and said to me the other night she thinks mommy won't sleep in the room with me because she doesn't love me anymore. I have never said anything like that to my daughter and I don't think my wife would tell our daughter that so she has figured this out on her own and it breaks my heart even more. I break down every time I think about the effect our situation has on our daughter. I don't know what to do, I want to talk to my wife and work things out but I don't know how. She is like living with a stranger now. When she is home she avoids me at all costs and won't even sit in the same room with me so we only see each other when passing through the house.

Now our other issue is we are under water in our house with a first and 2nd mortgage and there is no way for us to separate like the therapist suggested without walking away from the house. Together we are able to make all our payments but no way we could afford an apartment rent and expenses on top of the mortgage. We are trying to refinance and see if we can reduce our payments but I am skeptical it will be enough even if it does happen. Losing my home in this on top of losing my wife would be devastating for me. Everyday that goes by I feel more and more hopeless with both my marriage and my home.

Should I try and push marriage counseling? Do I step back and wait for her to make a decision on what she wants to do (not knowing how long I will have to wait for that ) when all she has been able to tell me on why is that she doesn't know. She has no idea about anything she feels or wants to do but she wants me to give her space. All the while I have nothing to suggest that there is anything for me to wait for. What do I do? My biggest fear out of all of this is for my daughter. What if my wife decides she wants a divorce and then wants custody of our daughter and takes her away from me. I feel like I am losing everything that is important to me and I have no where to turn.
 

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on't know where to start but I know I need some help.

We have been together for five and a half years. Engaged since last October.

We both used each other to leave unhappy marriages together, and had the many talks that we would never do the same to each other.

Last year we bought a big house together. It was a foreclosure and took a lot of work from me, but now we have this perfect house that we always wanted and "living the dream", so I thought.

Two weeks ago I happen to look at our cell phone usage and found she had at least double the amount of text than what I did. So I went online and looked at the phone usage in more detail. There it was, some strange number that she had more than three hundred text to. I was at work, on night shift, and left work immediately to go confront her. She denied nothing, as when I woke her up I was scrolling through her phone and seeing all the text, which included pictures of her half naked in the mirror that she was sending him.

He, Billy, is from out of state, and she met him on some poker online game. He is a black guy and they had been talking for three weeks, constantly. She had come home and told me two weeks prior that she had some training for work that she could go to but it was out of state. I didn't bat an eye. I said of course you should go. So the night I confronted her, I said, "this guy is the training you were going to, huh". She shook her head yes.

My world went spinning. She didn't even seem remorseful. We talked and she said she needed to take this trip and was unsure about us. Because I was sick and had my world falling apart, I told her to go, if she thought this was something she could get out of her system and come home and work on us. She said she did think we could work on things, but she needed to go on this trip. I know how stupid it is, but through a lot more talking I let her go. I told her if this was just some sexcapade that she needed to get out of her system and would come home and concentrate on us afterward, then fine, go.

So she went. And when she came home, by this time I had lost ten lbs from being sickened over the entire thing, she continued to talk to him through text and calls. Two days after she had been home, I told her I couldn't keep going with her talking to him and building an emotional bond with him. So she said she could and would stop talking to him. I told her I wanted to see her text him explaining this, and she said she preferred to talk to him and explain it over the phone the next day.

I allowed this, and they stopped for about twelve hours. Then the next night I was at work, I looked at the phone records and she had called him and tex him. Neither time did he answer. So I came home again and confronted her, in the middle of the night, and told her it was over. She cried and apologized and said she slipped. She said she wanted us.

A lot of talking later, I told her she would have to delete the poker game, show me a text to him saying she couldn't talk to him any more and that she was going to work on us. She did both and deleted him from her contacts. The next 24 hours she showed distance from me, and her body language kept telling me she was checked out.

We talked and I told her I could move forward with her but only if she was as dedicated to it as I was. She said she was and wanted to make us work, but her body language and the way she was answering was telling me different. But because I'm so stupidly in love with this woman, and not wanting to lose everything we have built together, I told her ok, let's work on it.

Over the last 24 hours, all her body language showed me she is not into us anymore. I have to initiate any body contact and when I do, I feel nothing from her. This is totally messing up my head.

We left today to go to her family reunion and it was bothering me so bad how distant she acts toward me. She doesn't seem sad, but there is no love towards me. So at the last minute I pulled her aside and told her how I was feeling and that I did not want to do this on my own. I told her if I was the only one trying, then we need to just end it. She was hesitant but said she didn't know if she could get it back, meaning her love for me. So I said then we're done. I turned the truck around and drove back home. She took her two kids and left to go to the reunion and my daughter and I stayed home.

She was crying as she left and we both agreed not to talk to the children yet. Her kids, whom I love very much, are a 10 year old daughter and 8 year old boy. My daughter is 13.

I'm so unbelievably devastated. My heart has never been hurt like this. I'm going to lose everything. We have this big beautiful house and in a perfect happy little subdivision. Admittedly, one of my biggest concerns is losing the house. There is no way I can afford it on my own. The house is in my name and she has a smaller more affordable house across town, that we happen to be renting out to my younger half sister. She'll have to evict them, and I'll be stuck here with a house I cannot afford and will probably go belly up on. I've worked so freaking hard for all this. For this perfect happy family that I thought we had...

So that's the short version of what's going on. I'm 38 and she 35. I'm so messed up right now, I don't even know how much of this is making sense. I know I'm leaving out a lot of details, but don't want to talk everyones ear off. I found this site while she was gone on her weekend with Billy. This place has been a very good thing for me, just for killing time and trying to learn stuff.

Not sure what to do. So afraid of losing her. I'm so sad right now, I wonder how I will ever move forward.

Thanks for listening.
 

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Skeleton in my closet and I don't know if I should tell my wife


I'm new here and I'm hoping to get some advice. There is something that has been eating at me and I don't know if I should tell my wife.

We have only been married for 3 years so our marriage is fairly new. We only have 1 son but plan to have more. My wife is a very sweet woman and I love her to death. I really don't want to hurt her anymore but I have been doing something that is very wrong.

Around 6 months ago, I was at her mother's house helping to move some furniture. Her mother is a widow and she is fairly attractive. After I finished helping her with the work, she told me that she appreciated everything that I did. I didn't ask for any money but she felt that she owed me something. She flat out asked me could she suck my **** and I didn't answer her. It's not because I wanted her to, it was because she caught me off guard and I thought she was kidding.

She did suck me that day and I am ashamed to admit that I enjoyed it. I won't go into too many details but I will say that me and her mother developed a full blown sexual relationship. Whenever me and my wife would fight, I would just drive to her mother's house and sleep with her. What fascinated me is how experienced she is and how much she listened to my needs. I started to develop strong feelings for her mother so I decided to stop the relationship. She understood and although she agreed to stop, we did have sex a couple times after that.

I felt bad about what I did but I couldn't avoid seeing her mother. I stayed strong and we had not physical affair for the past few months. Now, I have been under a lot of stress with work since we have taken on a lot more accounts. Friday after work, I went over to her house to pick up the baby and I got too comfortable. We ended up having sex again.

Now I feel dirty. I feel that I must tell my wife what has been going on but I know it will destroy our marriage. A couple of times, I have thought about telling her but I just don't know how. One of my friends knows about the relationship and he said that my wife may appreciate that I chose to cheat with her mother and not some other woman. He doesn't think it would be that bad but I'm still too lost to know what to do. Also, I can't promise myself that I won't sleep with her anymore so I need to find a way to stop doing this. Please help with some sort of advice as it would be greatly appreciated.

Oh my gosh.

Da mama must got da ILL NA NA.
 
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