I know PS4 won, but... :lol:

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Back it up? Its MS who is the fukking manufacturer that who, who backing up Sony numbers. See this is what pisses some off because of this damn double standard. Ol who backing up their numbers but give Sony a pass. vgcharts has always been a laughing stock.
Vgchartz is, stupid. Thats the point. Dont like it? Tough shyt because you have no alternative that says anything different.

Does Sony secretly own Vgchartz or what is it? What makes you dismiss their data other than the fact that you dont like it? Gimmie a quick rundown of all the known incidents over the years that have made them "always a laughing stock?"
 

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Vgchartz is, stupid. Thats the point. Dont like it? Tough shyt because you have no alternative that says anything different.

Does Sony secretly own Vgchartz or what is it? What makes you dismiss their data other than the fact that you dont like it? Gimmie a quick rundown of all the known incidents over the years that have made them "always a laughing stock?"
Yes we do have something different aka NPD or from the manufactures themselves. But no you dont trust them because they cant back it up or MS cant in your words but you dont question sony? But vzcharts cant back their shyt ether its just guessing on their part also.
 

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Its common sense.

The Xbox one ain't cheap and there isn't any good games for it right now:yeshrug:


And there it is...



This holiday season, people wanted to get a next gen system but were looking at price tags not caring what the system does. Some kids probably wanted Xbox ones, but the parents were like" :whoa: Wii U/ PS4 got similar games though" :scusthov:
 

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Yes we do have something different aka NPD or from the manufactures themselves. But no you dont trust them because they cant back it up or MS cant in your words but you dont question sony? But vzcharts cant back their shyt ether its just guessing on their part also.
VGchartz take data provided by trusted sources like NPD and add them all up to form a total...

How is that guessing? :what:
 

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They take data provided by trusted sources like NPD and add them all up to form a total...

How is that guessing? :what:
Its guessing because the other sources are suspect. Ever wonder why Xbox numbers are below what MS reports and always higher than what Sony reports sold?
 

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Yes we do have something different aka NPD or from the manufactures themselves. But no you dont trust them because they cant back it up or MS cant in your words but you dont question sony? But vzcharts cant back their shyt ether its just guessing on their part also.
Do I have to explain why sales numbers from the competing companies themselves might not be as reputable as from a 3rd party source with no bias whose entire existence is to track everyone's sales? :comeon: Theres no double standard. Im not sitting here saying Sony's word is reputable and Microsoft's isnt. Im asking why you're claiming the 3rd party isnt reputable, other than you dont like the numbers.

Link something from NPD that contradicts vgchartz's ps3 and 360 numbers.
 

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Do I have to explain why sales numbers from the competing companies themselves might not be as reputable as from a 3rd party source with no bias whose entire existence is track everyone's sales? :comeon: Theres no double standard. Im not sitting here saying Sony's word is reputable and Microsoft's isnt. Im asking why you're claiming the 3rd party isnt reputable, other than you dont like the numbers.

Link something from NPD that contradicts vgchartz's ps3 and 360 numbers.


He just doesn't like the numbers unless it's beneficial to what he's supporting.
 

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He just doesn't like the numbers unless it's beneficial to what he's supporting.
That seems to be it but Im trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and explain why its "a laughing stock" as he claims. shyts good enough source for Forbes but maybe smooth3d has some insider info we dont know about. :vince:
 

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Back it up? Its MS who is the fukking manufacturer that who, who backing up Sony numbers. See this is what pisses some off because of this damn double standard. Ol who backing up their numbers but give Sony a pass. vgcharts has always been a laughing stock.


Breh you know these cats just hit you with that ether...stop the numbers argument just talk about actual games...because your number logic seems fan boyish.
 

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That seems to be it but Im trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and explain why its "a laughing stock" as he claims. shyts good enough source for Forbes but maybe smooth3d has some insider info we dont know about. :vince:
How is it good enough? Even Forbes had give info in vgcharts shaky pass in their article that no one take seriously.
 

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Breh you know these cats just hit you with that ether...stop the numbers argument just talk about actual games...because your number logic seems fan boyish.
Hit me what? deflections, nikka please.
 

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Here what linked to in the Forbes article about vgcharts shadiness:

Let's be clear. I think the concept behind VGChartz is a wonderful one - freely available data to let everyone see how well games are selling. And it's absolutely true that all data is an estimate - not even major services such as Media Create and NPD get it exactly right.

But VGChartz is staffed by amateurs working in their spare time to estimate sales, and while they are perfectly smart, they are much closer to the SimExchange model of estimation than the Media Create method.

What I'd like to see is some clear labeling of what is estimated data, and what is extrapolated or changed from companies that have greater access to retail sales. And not only does VGChartz have no intention of doing this, it is starting to claim major scoops based on data which, in some cases, estimates entire territories without any real data.


In particular, the site widely and loudly disseminated to the media its worldwide Day 1 Metal Gear Solid 4sales, explaining:

"VGChartz can exclusively reveal that first day sales of Metal Gear Solid 4, released on June 12th 2008 in most major markets worldwide, were an impressive 1.3 million units."

The headline actually originally read 1.5 million, but was changed by a not insignificant 200,000 units after publication. Even more surprisingly, the figure debuted just 48 hours after the launch of the game - not a lot of time to compile data from retail sources.

I asked Brett Walton about the change, and why this figure was not advertised a little more prominently as an estimate, given the short amount of time to get real data, and he explained:

"It was based on first day Japan sales, first day America sales, and from that projecting for Europe / others which we didn't get direct day 1 for. We projected Europe would be ~20% higher than America given the larger install base and based on previous game releases, but it turned out at 430k for the week vs 510k for America - whereas we estimated it at more like 600k given America and Japan figures."

Firstly, Walton freely admits the numbers were based on zero actual data for the entire European market, just pure extrapolation. It's also very unclear how far the estimates for launch were based on real retail data for Japan and North America.

It's a reasonable figure, of course, because the VGChartz folks are smart people. But it's not a real figure. It's a educated guesstimate, and it's much more of an estimate than the subsequent Chart Track data for the UK, for example. Walton clarified due to my complaints:

"So yes, maybe we should be clearer with the word estimate, especially in early PR and this has been reflected in comments back to the guy who wrote the story. From now on we will label day 1 sales as preliminary for that very reason."

But that doesn't really change the main problem with the site. There's a place for a resource like VGChartz, but it'd be a site that clearly labels the source of its estimates (whether it be Chart-Track, NPD, Media Create - even if some of those sources have poor data dissemination and a fractious relationship with the media) and then labels which are its own estimates based on its own industry knowledge and whatever channel checks it has.

But if I was a writer or analyst trying to extrapolate significant information from the resource, especially regarding those titles which don't chart regularly, given the major discrepancies with other figures shown here, I would not recommend it.

It's a good read and gives insight to how vgchartz works, but that why I say what I say. Me and many others have never like them. Yes its dated 2008 but that what Forbes linked to.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18919

Link to original Forbes report:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...-week-before-christmas-according-to-vgchartz/
 
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How is it good enough? Even Forbes had give info in vgcharts shaky pass in their article that no one take seriously.
I dont really understand this broken English but Im assuming its just more emotions with no facts.

Still waiting on any numbers that contradict the only ones we have so far. You seem to trust NPD, link me to something from them.
 
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