I played in both eras, I played against both of them. Jordan is the #GOAT - Ray Allen
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MJ NOT SHOOTING 73% FROM THE LINE.
so he would go 13/15 fts instead 
Since someone doesn't want to answer this question, I'll put it out to the rest of y'all Jeffrey's Witnesses -
What do you think Jordan could average in the league today, and what do you think Durant could average during the late 80s/early 90s?
This should be interesting.
What do you think Jordan could average in the league today, and what do you think Durant could average during the late 80s/early 90s?
This should be interesting.
IVE NEVER SEEN KD KNOCKED ON HIS ASS.
HES NOT A DYNAMIC FINISHER
THAT CAN AVOID MULTIPLE DEFENDERS.
THE PHYSICALITY WOULD LIMIT HIS INSIDE GAME
AND FREE THROWS.
HAND CHECKING WOULD
LIMIT HIS HANDLE.
ILL GIVE HIM 27 PPG
MJ GOING FOR ATLEAST 40 IN 2DAYS LEAGUE.
THE SKILLESS WESTBROOK DID 32
OFF MOTOR AND ATHLETICISM ALONE.
NOW WE LYING fakkit?
QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID MJ
WAS THE GOAT SHOOTER.
Rigby.
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IVE NEVER SEEN KD KNOCKED ON HIS ASS.
HES NOT A DYNAMIC FINISHER
THAT CAN AVOID MULTIPLE DEFENDERS.
THE PHYSICALITY WOULD LIMIT HIS INSIDE GAME
AND FREE THROWS.
ILL GIVE HIM 28 PPG
NOW WE LYING fakkit?
QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID MJ
WAS THE GOAT SHOOTER.
Your argument was that Jordan was not only a GOAT shooter, not only produced a season that you deemed better than the best shooters of today's time (an era that's produced two guys that are heralded as the best shooters), but you relied on false equivalencies and individual seasons/three playoff stretches to determine he'd be elite in an era where there's actually dozens of guys hitting in the constraints your "GOAT shooter" was performing at during his best seasons.
2017-18 Regular Season NBA Player Stats and League Leaders - Scoring Per Game - National Basketball Association - ESPN
ONCE AGAIN
SHOW ME WHERE I SAID HE WAS THE GOAT SHOOTER...
SECONDLY
THAT SEASON I POSTED WAS ABOUT HIS OVERALL GAME
WHICH IS WHY IT INCLUDED
REBOUNDS, ASSISTS AND STEALS.
A DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR VIRGIN ASS
SAYING MJ SUFFERED IN OTHER ASPECTS OF THE GAME
WHEN HE SHOT THREES.
SO AGAIN
SHOW ME A GOAT SHOOTER 2DAY
PUTTING UP
34, 7, 6 & 3
ON 54% FG & 38% 3P
YOURE THE EPITOME OF A bytch ASS nikka.
SHOW ME WHERE I SAID HE WAS THE GOAT SHOOTER...
SECONDLY
THAT SEASON I POSTED WAS ABOUT HIS OVERALL GAME
WHICH IS WHY IT INCLUDED
REBOUNDS, ASSISTS AND STEALS.
A DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR VIRGIN ASS
SAYING MJ SUFFERED IN OTHER ASPECTS OF THE GAME
WHEN HE SHOT THREES.
SO AGAIN
SHOW ME A GOAT SHOOTER 2DAY
PUTTING UP
34, 7, 6 & 3
ON 54% FG & 38% 3P
YOURE THE EPITOME OF A bytch ASS nikka.
Nevermind mind the fact, he doesn't need to be a dynamic finisher / avoid multiple defenders to finish in the paint - he's 7ft! He's not a guard, he doesn't need to avoid/finesse his way around interior defenders when he can just finish over them.
You mean the same physicality that limited Adrian Dantley to 8-10 FTs a game? And yet you think a more athletic, more skilled, much, much bigger wing's inside game would suffer?
Remind me, what wing players in the late 80s/90s had a comparable handle (nevermind the fact that he would be standing eye-to-eye with 4s/5s)? How could less skilled, less athletic, smaller players survive with all this hand-checking, and still consistently average 20+ points, even closing in on 30 ppg?
Re hand-checking:
1978/79 -
"Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through “rigid enforcement” of rule allowing a defensive player to retain contact with his opponent so long as he does not impede his opponent’s progress."
Proper hand-checking was basically outlawed by 1980. You could no longer use your hand to impede a player's progress. Basically, real hand-checking wasn't in existence by the time Jordan came into the league. The amount of contact you see on ball-handlers today (especially the playoffs) is basically the same as it was when Jordan was in the league. This isn't even mentioning that from about Jordan's third season he was getting "superstar" calls. Not only was he not dealing with real hand-checking but he was getting calls that the regular player wasn't getting. I've got a ton of tape back in my parents' crib where dudes like Snapper Jones said regularly through the early/mid '80s that defenses weren't what they used to be in the 70s when you could hand-check.
Even with your constant, misplaced emphasis on the effects of hand-checking, Durant would still get superstar calls -- as above, if someone like Dantley lived at the line, there's no reason to think Durant would'nt also. Not to mention, since Durant is one if, if not the greatest pull-up 3-pt shooter of all-time, and he played during a period where they didn't defend the 3-pt shot like they do today, you don't think Durant would be even more efficient from behind the arc? You don't think Durant wouldn't dominate during a period where the majority of his possessions would be weakside 1v1s (where he would have an advantage against every single type of defender)?
ILL GIVE HIM 27 PPG
You're telling me the greatest shooting, most skilled 7fter to ever set foot on the court (who moves like a guard in the most athletic period in history) would only max out on the same level as:
'88/'89 Dale Ellis - 27 ppg
'86/'87 Mark Aguire - 26 ppg
'86/'87 Alex English - 28 ppg (he then went on to average 26 ppg at age 35 during the '88/'89 season)
'88'/'89 Chris Mullen - 26 ppg
'89/'90 Tom Chambers - 27 ppg
'90/'91 Bernard King at age 34 - 28 ppg
'85/'86** Adrian Dantley - 30 ppg
Gon'head and marinate on that.
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Jordan averages at least 73ppg on today's game. 
It doesn't work like that.
SO AGAIN
SHOW ME A GOAT SHOOTER 2DAY
PUTTING UP
34, 7, 6 & 3
ON 54% FG & 38% 3P
Like @Rigby. said, you're working on false equivalences - Jordan only attempted three 3-pt shots a game during that season, this is of course during a period where the 3-pt shot was barely defended (where someone like Durant attempts TWICE as many and hits them at 42%). Which is why FG% isn't a great measurement to use when comparing players who don't shoot a similar amount of 3s. eFG%, while not perfect, is a better measurement if you're looking for efficiency on total field goals.
Durant's MVP season where he averaged 32 ppg on 56-eFG% is on par with Jordan's 33.6 ppg on 55-eFG% season.
Curry's MVP season where he averaged 30 ppg on 63-eFG% is on another level though, and could've easily averaged another 2-3 points if he didn't sit out a large portion of 4th quarters.
steph_harden
Superstar
Jordan ain’t scoring 45 ppg stop it...
If you want an idea of what Jordan would do in this league look at prime Kobe. They are basically the same fukking dude. Jordan’s production would be pretty similar. 45 a game is just over the top unrealistic.
Jordan is like the A version. Prime Kobe was at 45% and 35ppg....Mike would be 50% which why I think if he gunned for it he’d be at 40ppg. 45ppg is ridiculous though
Supreme365
Superstar
Defense is better now then it was in the late 80’s/ early 90’s
Jordan would still get busy and would be arguably the best in the league, but he’s not averaging 45 a game
CarbonBraddock
You will be trolled
Y'all need to start banning dudes who obviously don't know the game and just be posting anything.
Supreme365
Superstar
CarbonBraddock
You will be trolled
There is no one in today's league who is as good as Michael Jordan, so you saying arguably sounds like you don't like him or somethingHow is saying someone would arguably be the best in the game a slight
MJ's FG% most probably wouldn't be anywhere near 50, because naturally, he'd be shooting more 3-pointers (thus dropping his FG%, which as I mentioned earlier isn't the best measurement of efficiency), and against better defenses.
Supreme365
Superstar
KD would struggle more in the 80s or 90s because he would get hand checked and nikkas would do whatever it takes to mess up his timing take the ball out of his hands
you ain't gonna block KD's shot, but you can annoy him
KD would still average 26-27 points in 80/90s but he won't be as efficient. after all rules and defense were tougher back then
So you pick a playoff series against a team that had a DPOY center and one of the best perimeter defenders of all time
and at 25 KD still averaged 29 and 9 Kd would destroy anything moving in the 80’s and 90’s him and me would be trading scoring titles
Defense wasn’t tougher, D didn’t get really physical and slow until the mid 90’s you’ll always talk about isiah Thomas averaging 30 but seem to forget that 5’9 160 lbs Michael adams averaged 26