I think I realized partly why NYC rap fell off...

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i'm pretty sure la still has alot of older dj's so that's not the problem. nyc can't seem to find a new sound that everyone likes. atl really has nothing to follow besides the dungeon family...nyc has so many legends and unhearlded acts that it's going to be hard to please people.
look it up.

No major city I can think of has older DJs or MCs in similar stations than NYC
 

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you're not getting it.

YOUNGER artists fight for things closer to their age more than older people.

No, you're not getting it. Age isn't the problem here. The age of the DJ's is way down the list of problems. A young DJ is going to play what he's told to play, and if he doesn't he will be replaced. Kay Slay fights all the time for local acts and he's damn near 50.
 
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Them tracks aint singles breh :mjpls:

SO u give Drake the edge lyrically..yet ur biggest gripe was that the lyrical bar was lowered

Well if we compare the biggest rapper of the 90s to the biggest rapper of now we see that Drake lyrically kills Pac

Not to mention Drake also provides many flows, great hooks and provides all the necessary aspects to make hits

SO I mean what u rlly sayin breh :mjpls:

Compare the lyricism of Snoop, Big and Pac to Drake, Kdot, and J Cole

And u tell me how the bar has been lowered :mjpls:

Dangerous was a single fam. My biggest gripe is the standard for what's considered hot or skillful has been lowered considerably. That's why we have watered down music nowadays. I want the bar raised so us fans can hear the best music possible. Let these subpar cornballs stay underground. I wouldn't say Drake kills Pac but he's better lyrically than Pac. Overall Pac is a so much better emcee with what he rapped about, his delivery, & impact on hip hop when he was alive. Drake, Kdot, & J Cole aren't that lyrical fam. They're above average but overall they're not effing with the top dogs from the late 80's 90's. BIG, Rakim, KRS, & G Rap all rap circles around those guys. That's not a knock on them because those 3 aren't wack.
 

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No, you're not getting it. Age isn't the problem here. The age of the DJ's is way down the list of problems. A young DJ is going to play what he's told to play, and if he doesn't he will be replaced. Kay Slay fights all the time for local acts and he's damn near 50.
Nope.

Young DJs play shyt closer to the cutting edge, if you will, of content being produced by their peers.

TRUST me on that.

And Kay Slay doesn't fight no local acts. Hes not in the same discovery mode he used to be. You're playing games here.
 

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Nope.

Young DJs play shyt closer to the cutting edge, if you will, of content being produced by their peers.

TRUST me on that.

And Kay Slay doesn't fight no local acts. Hes not in the same discovery mode he used to be. You're playing games here.

You're talking but you ain't saying nothing.
 

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Yea the more I think about it, NY's problem isn't age, it's internal support

@Napoleon would have a stronger point if Ebro/Flex/TBC etc were on some boom bap old school shyt. Instead, they are breaking a lot of new records for new out of towners and established NY acts, and telling new NY artists to, in Ebro's words, "get their weight up". The heavy support for new out of town acts kind of tears the whole 'go start an oldies station' thing apart. Napoleon has a beef with old music, it seems.

Those "out of town" acts already established a huge following which compelled them to play it in the first place.

And Hot 97 do break local records. The problem with New York artists is they DON'T get love in other regions because they DON'T make music with mass appeal.
 

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Those "out of town" acts already established a huge following which compelled them to play it in the first place.

And Hot 97 do break local records. The problem with New York artists is they DON'T get love in other regions because they DON'T make music with mass appeal.
nikkas all around the world still love Max B. I agree there's a lot of weak music, but that's not the only thing.
 

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Its the DJs and MCs themselves.

I look at a city like ATL and most of their radio personalities in rap music between three stations are AROUND mid to late 20s.

I look at NYC and the average age of every damn radio talent person is about 35. Thats for Power 105 and Hot 97.

Think about this. Most of Hot 97 has people who have been there SINCE THE fukkING EARLY 90s.

Put that in perspective.

NY can't "come back" because these old dudes are standing in ya'lls way by wanting something thats not coming back, and refusing to show LEGITIMATE love to newcomers.

These characters in NYC are more interested in being brands, than stewards of the music.

In ATL and maybe even Miami and LA, it seems like they LIKE the music their city makes. In NYC, they just seem to tolerate shyt they're really not feeling.

I have to disagree slightly with you from an ATL radio perspective...the radio personalities in ATL (who are actually influential) are older than you're giving them credit for. Drama is in his 30s, DJ Scream is in his 30s, Durrty Boyz are in their 30's (I think J-Nicks is late 20s), Greg Street is a down South Funk Flex and is in his 40s. I'd say the average ages of the influential radio personalities in both markets is about the same.

The difference I've seen & I've been saying it for years is the relationship between the clubs, strip clubs, DJs and radio. If an artist has a hot song in the strip clubs here, he's gonna be heard on a Mixshow on Hot 107.9, V103 or Streetz 94.5 in a short amount of time. That song will then get picked up by mixtape DJs. If the artist plays his cards right he'll be plugged in doing shows and could be legitimately buzzing within 3-6 months. I don't think that type of relationship works in other markets...ATL artists don't have to pander to radio here b/c the radio here is looking for what's hot in the streets, it's not just about a Program Director dictating what's hot like in NY or how they do in other cities
 
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