I think I realized partly why NYC rap fell off...

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if yall look at it right though....WHEN WAS NEW YORK ever selling HIP HOP in big numbers?


if you go back in history gangsta rap/west rap always out sold east rap....by big margins.



when new York style rap started selling it had turned to club, drug,hardcore,horror core,street,braggodcio and mafiosa sub genres.(with one or two hip hop tracks if any on the album)


its just that the south sound appeals to the masses now.(largely because its "new" to people)

imagine if new gen new York started doing south style rap in in 03.......then the ball would be in new York court even though people would still say the 90's rappers were better.but new York would still own because they would have progressed to a new mainstream style. 90's rap style is classic but more in a underground way.


just like old rock n roll....its classic but they still had to advance the style from 70's sound to 80's synth sound......to hard rock/pop rock in the 90's.......same with rnb go listen to rkelly 90's rnb and then go back to listen to confessions....the sound changed. don't means its worse.

the problem is not the producer or musical composers(even though some of them nikkas wack and don't got their own style) but its the untalented artist for the most part. see old artist like mj would know what was going on musically in the back ground even though he had quincy jones. he would be making up riffs, writing songs and helping produce his tracks the whole way. these artist these days sit back and let the a&r/what's making money rule them completely or their just straight up swagger jackers with no original material.
 

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Rap is a young man's game and yet there have always been grown men who fukked with it. U think the only fans of albums like Illmatic, AEOM, LAD, GRODT, DI etc were lil teeny boppers and people in their early 20s? You dont know what you're talking about. You're just making shyt up as you go along to frame things in a way that are conducive to your preconceptions.

The very people who put these so called "great" albums up as genre defining art and what not WERE young people.

The same names you're talking about in 2014 were the ones discovering and showcasing talent in the 90s.

You're not making any sense.
 

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If there were newer and younger gate keepers, you'd find more talent getting recognition from younger dudes.
Ummmmmmmm there is a healthy mix of old and new at the forefront breh. Migos is old? ASAP Mob? Drake? What are you talking about?

Stop talking about what YOU like so much. This is about THEM.
Who is "them"? So I can't have any say or rights to have preferences, but "them" do? What are you talking about?


I won't play the which generation had it better game when it comes to rap.
I won't either :dwillhuh: You are flat out making shyt up now

Dudes been rapping about the same shyt since the 80s. Nothing has changed.

At this point is about how you do it, and to say that there aren't great artists out now is a damn lie.
What does any of this have to do with my post? Are you even reading what I'm writing? :pachaha:
 

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agreed. Cats running around with VH1 shows, trying to be a hip hop version of The Office. For what exactly?

I was out in LA last year in May.....we was rolling around and stuff in the whip....On everything, all that we heard was like Kendrick and YG playing and some Bay Area sounding cats. All these other regions radio support their homegrown talent. NYC radio makes it political, talking about ad sales and having to justify numbers and all this.
You know whats funny?

ATL radio clearly has more antics to be considered reality TV.

Plus, the DJs down south have more projects than DJs in any other region :heh:
 

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The very people who put these so called "great" albums up as genre defining art and what not WERE young people.

The same names you're talking about in 2014 were the ones discovering and showcasing talent in the 90s.

You're not making any sense.

And what names are those? The Breakfast Club was discovering/showcasing talent in the 90s? :dwillhuh: Ebro was discovering/showcasing talent in the 90s? :wtf: They don't discover/showcase talent now :pachaha:
 

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Ummmmmmmm there is a healthy mix of old and new at the forefront breh. Migos is old? ASAP Mob? Drake? What are you talking about?


Who is "them"? So I can't have any say or rights to have preferences, but "them" do? What are you talking about?



I won't either :dwillhuh: You are flat out making shyt up now


What does any of this have to do with my post? Are you even reading what I'm writing? :pachaha:

If we're talking about NYC rap, then younger artists would push MORE CONTENT ON AVERAGE that caters to the NYC listener.
 

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And what names are those? The Breakfast Club was discovering/showcasing talent in the 90s? :dwillhuh: Ebro was discovering/showcasing talent in the 90s? :wtf: They don't discover/showcase talent now :pachaha:

You just said these DJs and MCs were putting people on.

Now you're saying they don't.

:stopitslime:
 

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You just said these DJs and MCs were putting people on.

Now you're saying they don't.

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They just play records fam. They are getting the shyt way after the fact, not playing shyt nobody heard before. If an ATL nikka is on NYC radio he was hot in ATL for like a year already. That was my mistake. They are not breaking records, they are just playing them.
 

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Can u point me to which part of the post you quoted this is supposed to be addressing?
you're talking about there being a "healthy mix of young and old"

That shuoldn't matter.

Look these things need to happen:

1. Give these old heads a NEW rap/hip hop station that caters to older music tastes in the rap world. Early 2000s, 90s, 80s.
2. Push these old DJs and MCs out to this newly created station
3. Watch as YOUNGER DJs and MCs from NYC gravitate to playing records that cater to where they're from, what they grew up listening to and what they listen to now from their own neighborhoods.
4. Weather the potential storm of change
5. Enjoy a new refocused NYC centric image.
 

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you're talking about there being a "healthy mix of young and old"

That shuoldn't matter.
Why not? Because you say so, and want to push rap's past into obscurity?

1. Give these old heads a NEW rap/hip hop station that caters to older music tastes in the rap world. Early 2000s, 90s, 80s.
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3. Watch as YOUNGER DJs and MCs from NYC gravitate to playing records that cater to where they're from, what they grew up listening to and what they listen to now from their own neighborhoods.
Lol. Wat music do u think a nikka in his mid 20s grew up listening to? Most dudes I know in that age range grew up listening to shyt from the

Early 2000s, 90s, 80s.

I.e. what was on the radio while they were growing up or what their parents played

So why is it so critical for you that older hip hop people be shuffled off to some kind of hip hop retirement home out of site and out of mind?
 

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I'm a fan of the "new" generation as well but many of them still need to improve, only a few have dropped good cohesive projects (IMO Rocky, FBZ, Joey Badass, Roc Marciano etc), most only show glimpses
 

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Why not? Because you say so, and want to push rap's past into obscurity?


Lol. Wat music do u think a nikka in his mid 20s grew up listening to? Most dudes I know in that age range grew up listening to shyt from the



I.e. what was on the radio while they were growing up or what their parents played

So why is it so critical for you that older hip hop people be shuffled off to some kind of hip hop retirement home out of site and out of mind?
Its critical for these 40+ year old dudes to get out of radio because you can't cater to the HOT 97 image without being young enough to truly appreciate it.

Flex has a job. As a 46 year old man, he's supposed to care. But you can't tell me he goes home listening to new shyt.

And this isn't about pushing raps past into obscurity. Its about allowing an evolution to take place.

There are oldies stations for other genres. There can be one for rap music.
 

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I'm a fan of the "new" generation as well but many of them still need to improve, only a few have dropped good cohesive projects (IMO Rocky, FBZ, Joey Badass, Roc Marciano etc), most only show glimpses
If there were younger DJs and MCs on the mainstream, you'd see more good young talent, since they'd get more looks from people their own age.

These old dudes ain't checking for you until someone like their kids like you or something :heh:
 
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