I think I realized partly why NYC rap fell off...

[mson]

I had an older brother and I remember how he and his boys would downplay Biggie and called him wack and my big bro was a big Rakim Stan

I still talk to him and he still feels the same way

Pac..Idk my brother never had any of his albums so Im guessin he never rlly fcked wit him

I've heard people say they like an old school rapper better than them. But I have'nt heard any purists call any of them wack.

 

[blackslash]

I've heard people say they like an old school rapper better than them. But I have'nt heard any purists call any of them wack.

to put things in perspective tho my older brother is 32

 

[Real N Quotes]

Its the DJs and MCs themselves.

I look at a city like ATL and most of their radio personalities in rap music between three stations are AROUND mid to late 20s.

I look at NYC and the average age of every damn radio talent person is about 35. Thats for Power 105 and Hot 97.

Think about this. Most of Hot 97 has people who have been there SINCE THE fukkING EARLY 90s.

Put that in perspective.

NY can't "come back" because these old dudes are standing in ya'lls way by wanting something thats not coming back, and refusing to show LEGITIMATE love to newcomers.

These characters in NYC are more interested in being brands, than stewards of the music.

In ATL and maybe even Miami and LA, it seems like they LIKE the music their city makes. In NYC, they just seem to tolerate shyt they're really not feeling.

Most of these djs are vultures. They dictate what's hot based on what's popular in the club so that's why you hear the same tired music on the radio in ny. It's terrible that a west coast sucker like Ebro gets away with dictating what's hot in ny

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The 2 "new" NYC rappers I listen to rapped over beats that sounded like NYC without sounding dusty and boom bappy. And the samples problem is irrelevant in this internet era- pretty much all music is "for promotion only". I mean who is the last NYC rapper to get a major record deal? Nicki Minaj? Your logic is sound but your reasoning is like 15 years out of date.

I'm not saying NYers shouldn't like down South music. My first album was The Chronic and I grew up in Jamaica, Queens. I fukked with Outkast heavy growing up. So that's all good. I'm just saying we can enjoy their music without copying the hell out of it. We can enjoy their music w/o losing our identity.

I honestly feel like a lot of it comes down to the rest of the country being tired of NYC and judging it based on how we were at our peak ~15-20 years ago. It's a new city with a new sound. The fact that my nikka Max didn't blow, with literally every element necessary to cover any aspect of rap stardom, is proof.

its not about enjoying WHERE the art is from, its about established media getting out of their own way to allow YOUNGER door keepers at the forefront.

Imagine how much more "rooted" younger DJs would make current NY sound.

Of course you may not like it, but thats the point. Its supposed to represent THEM

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Its hard to talk rap with 90s babies who refuse to do the history.

History doesn't matter.

It really DOES NOT matter when it comes to music.

shyt is always going to change and ya'll are ALWAYS going to want "credit"

Get over it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The next rapper to blow from NYC will be a plant

Most artists in the 90s WERE plants.

Yall wouldn't know the difference it wasn't for all the "meta" discussino about how the industry works in the early 2000s to now with dudes dropping secrets on shady deals and business practices

What do you think "artist development" really is?

 

[Piff Perkins]

When Dame even said the shyt about Flex in the Combat Jack interview, I knew what I was saying was right.

This August, Flex will be 46...

Just let go man.

Groom the next dude to come in your place and hold down the fort. Transition into that legacy lane and pioneer THAT. Stop hogging the airwaves this old man view of the world.

I'd be fine with Flex if Hot 97 had some younger DJ personalities too. Nothing wrong with having old heads, but when old heads are 99% of your roster something is wrong. Flex doesn't have to groom anyone, that's Hot 97's job. They need to put someone out there, give him a couple hours, get him on the morning show to push back against Ebro, etc.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'd be fine with Flex if Hot 97 had some younger DJ personalities too. Nothing wrong with having old heads, but when old heads are 99% of your roster something is wrong. Flex doesn't have to groom anyone, that's Hot 97's job. They need to put someone out there, give him a couple hours, get him on the morning show to push back against Ebro, etc.

Precisely.

Old heads in hip-hop aren't helping preserve much of anything besides their own careers.

Move on or build an oldies rap/hip hop station and make that a staple.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

its not about enjoying WHERE the art is from, its about established media getting out of their own way to allow YOUNGER door keepers at the forefront.

Imagine how much more "rooted" younger DJs would make current NY sound.

Of course you may not like it, but thats the point. Its supposed to represent THEM

Man would you quit with that ALL CAPS shyt. You sound ridiculous.

And there has been a good amount of NYC music that I like that just didn't catch on mainstream. 2 dudes in particular were marred by the fact that they weren't careful enough in curating/managing their images (which is a huge driver of success in this IG era), even though they made brilliant music that didn't ape the south and sounded like NY without being dusty.

Plus there are a lot of people from other regions who are happy to see NY in a weakened state. I hear people on here gloating all the time and rationalizing hating NYC now for shyt that happened 20 yrs ago.

History doesn't matter.

It really DOES NOT matter when it comes to music.

shyt is always going to change and ya'll are ALWAYS going to want "credit"

Get over it.

Where did I say anything about wanting credit?

And yea, history matters, if one is going to claim that music today is better than music in the past. If you don't have a working knowledge of something (in this case old music), why should anyone take your opinion on it seriously?

 

[mson]

Precisely.

Old heads in hip-hop aren't helping preserve much of anything besides their own careers.

Move on or build an oldies rap/hip hop station and make that a staple.

They're not playing old music, they're playing new music from other regions.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

They're not playing old music, they're playing new music from other regions.

Yea the more I think about it, NY's problem isn't age, it's internal support

@Napoleon would have a stronger point if Ebro/Flex/TBC etc were on some boom bap old school shyt. Instead, they are breaking a lot of new records for new out of towners and established NY acts, and telling new NY artists to, in Ebro's words, "get their weight up". The heavy support for new out of town acts kind of tears the whole 'go start an oldies station' thing apart. Napoleon has a beef with old music, it seems.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Man would you quit with that ALL CAPS shyt. You sound ridiculous.

And there has been a good amount of NYC music that I like that just didn't catch on mainstream. 2 dudes in particular were marred by the fact that they weren't careful enough in curating/managing their images (which is a huge driver of success in this IG era), even though they made brilliant music that didn't ape the south and sounded like NY without being dusty.

Plus there are a lot of people from other regions who are happy to see NY in a weakened state. I hear people on here gloating all the time and rationalizing hating NYC now for shyt that happened 20 yrs ago.

If there were newer and younger gate keepers, you'd find more talent getting recognition from younger dudes.

Stop talking about what YOU like so much. This is about THEM.

Thats the flaw in your arguments.

Where did I say anything about wanting credit?

And yea, history matters, if one is going to claim that music today is better than music in the past. If you don't have a working knowledge of something (in this case old music), why should anyone take your opinion on it seriously?

I won't play the which generation had it better game when it comes to rap.

Dudes been rapping about the same shyt since the 80s. Nothing has changed.

At this point is about how you do it, and to say that there aren't great artists out now is a damn lie.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Old people can't appreciate new music FROM YOUNG PEOPLE. Older folks love new stuff from more mature and age appropriate artists of course.

If they can, more power to them, but most of them can't...and no degree of open-mindedness will change that.

Rap is a young man's game and yet there have always been grown men who fukked with it. U think the only fans of albums like Illmatic, AEOM, LAD, GRODT, DI etc were lil teeny boppers and people in their early 20s? You dont know what you're talking about. You're just making shyt up as you go along to frame things in a way that are conducive to your preconceptions.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yea the more I think about it, NY's problem isn't age, it's internal support

@Napoleon would have a stronger point if Ebro/Flex/TBC etc were on some boom bap old school shyt. Instead, they are breaking a lot of new records for new out of towners and established NY acts, and telling new NY artists to, in Ebro's words, "get their weight up". The heavy support for new out of town acts kind of tears the whole 'go start an oldies station' thing apart. Napoleon has a beef with old music, it seems.

what records are ebro and flex breaking?

NOTHING new. Not now. This ain't the 90s.

They break shyt from OTHER regions cause they're too old to connect with whats going on IN THEIR TOWN.

Thats the point here.

Young people from the region are more likely to put their OWN on than old, well traveled dudes.

You're supporting my entire point.

 

[BlackMagnus514]

Its the DJs and MCs themselves.

I look at a city like ATL and most of their radio personalities in rap music between three stations are AROUND mid to late 20s.

I look at NYC and the average age of every damn radio talent person is about 35. Thats for Power 105 and Hot 97.

Think about this. Most of Hot 97 has people who have been there SINCE THE fukkING EARLY 90s.

Put that in perspective.

NY can't "come back" because these old dudes are standing in ya'lls way by wanting something thats not coming back, and refusing to show LEGITIMATE love to newcomers.

These characters in NYC are more interested in being brands, than stewards of the music.

In ATL and maybe even Miami and LA, it seems like they LIKE the music their city makes. In NYC, they just seem to tolerate shyt they're really not feeling.

agreed. Cats running around with VH1 shows, trying to be a hip hop version of The Office. For what exactly?

I was out in LA last year in May.....we was rolling around and stuff in the whip....On everything, all that we heard was like Kendrick and YG playing and some Bay Area sounding cats. All these other regions radio support their homegrown talent. NYC radio makes it political, talking about ad sales and having to justify numbers and all this.

NY Radio needs to just go back to embracing its own roots....its own artists.

LA & The South do that very well, having some of the newest hottest rappers/songs out now but NY seem to struggle with that because they're disconnected from the streets and don't care what 16-24 year olds are actually listening to. Maybe instead of catering to females all the time, they should cater to the youngins that actually supports they're homegrown talent that could push things forward into the forefront.

ASAP Mob were the perfect group to do that by shaking things up, bringing a newer energy of the current times of the city, but since they don't make traditional NY hip-hop, they don't get that respect. Pro Era brought back a sound that actually was traditional from a 90's sense, but its not radio friendly enough I guess. NY needs to embrace its own versatility and new found creativity with the new cats.

NY DJ's are just not catering to them. They rather cater to the mainstream and just make money off rappers/singers that became stars elsewhere without having to break em in. It makes them look greedy and extremely lazy, but thats politics for ya!

agreed.

This thread been made a billion fukking times and everytime it's full of the same bullshyt reasons & thinly disguised hate.

NYC fell off because NYC producers fell off, period. The flame in hiphop has ALWAYS been with the region with the hottest beat makers. We ain't had a wave of dope producers since the Rocafella days.

Agreed as well.