I think I realized partly why NYC rap fell off...

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and younger NYC DJs and MCs would be more apt to play stuff from THEIR hoods that they're from and recognize

But age isn't the reason why the old DJ's aren't breaking local acts. How do you know younger replacements won't be told to play the same thngs? These DJ' don't have the autonomy that you think they do.
 

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But age isn't the reason why the old DJ's aren't breaking local acts. How do you know younger replacements won't be told to play the same thngs? These DJ' don't have the autonomy that you think they do.
The ONLY reason? No.

A major one no one ever talks about? Absolutely.

Young dudes just are more connected to whats hot among them and their peers.

They just are.

Older folks rely more on third parties to put them up on game.

Even clubbing and doing shows, older people still have to find out what people like instead of just "knowing"
 

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If there were younger DJs and MCs on the mainstream, you'd see more good young talent, since they'd get more looks from people their own age.

These old dudes ain't checking for you until someone like their kids like you or something :heh:

You don't know what they go home and listen to.
 

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The ONLY reason? No.

A major one no one ever talks about? Absolutely.

Young dudes just are more connected to whats hot among them and their peers.

They just are.

Older folks rely more on third parties to put them up on game.

Even clubbing and doing shows, older people still have to find out what people like instead of just "knowing"

Young people also find also find out through second and third parties, not all of them are plugged in.
 
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Its critical for these 40+ year old dudes to get out of radio because you can't cater to the HOT 97 image without being young enough to truly appreciate it.

Flex has a job. As a 46 year old man, he's supposed to care. But you can't tell me he goes home listening to new shyt.

And this isn't about pushing raps past into obscurity. Its about allowing an evolution to take place.

There are oldies stations for other genres. There can be one for rap music.
Flex is not the PD at Hot 97. He has no control over the playlist.

Speakign of which, here are the playlists:

http://www.hot97.com/playlist/2014/05/22/playlist-51314-51914
http://www.power1051fm.com/music/playlist/

Dont look very "old school" to me :ld:

There is a mechanism through which records are approved to play, even on DJ's mix shows.... none of that has to do with Flex being old, it has to do with Hot 97's owners being a publicly owned corporate entity whose primary goal is their fiduciary obligations to shareholders. It would be the same shyt if the DJs were young.... Power 105 has young DJs and they have the same problems. I would bet ATL's radio stations are either privately owned, or benefit from ATL's large and growing black population that enables the stations to cater to black people more profitably.
 

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MORE of them are.

Dont play games here.

What games nikka? This ain't the old days when you hit a certain age and all of a sudden you're cut off from what's going on. I bet the DJ's at hot 97 know all of the new groups that you know of.

It damn sure isn't the music they claim to represent.

No 40 year old is doing that.

How do you know?
 

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The 2 "new" NYC rappers I listen to rapped over beats that sounded like NYC without sounding dusty and boom bappy. And the samples problem is irrelevant in this internet era- pretty much all music is "for promotion only". I mean who is the last NYC rapper to get a major record deal? Nicki Minaj? Your logic is sound but your reasoning is like 15 years out of date.

I'm not saying NYers shouldn't like down South music. My first album was The Chronic and I grew up in Jamaica, Queens. I fukked with Outkast heavy growing up. So that's all good. I'm just saying we can enjoy their music without copying the hell out of it. We can enjoy their music w/o losing our identity.

I honestly feel like a lot of it comes down to the rest of the country being tired of NYC and judging it based on how we were at our peak ~15-20 years ago. It's a new city with a new sound. The fact that my nikka Max didn't blow, with literally every element necessary to cover any aspect of rap stardom, is proof.
It has a lot to do with it when other artists (hip hop artists mind you) wanna get at you for sampling on a mixtape or performing it at a show.

The last one to get a major record deal and do something with it is probably the A$AP Mob
 

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What games nikka? This ain't the old days when you hit a certain age and all of a sudden you're cut off from what's going on. I bet the DJ's at hot 97 know all of the new groups that you know of.
They know of only what labels tell them to check out.

Their older sensibilities push them in certain directions to overlook acts that WONT make it because they don't have the support of the young kids out here.

If you listen to dudes like Rosenberg and Cipha Sounds, they often talk about new cats coming up they like who will NEVER make it because they aren't listening to what young people are ACTUALLY listening to. They're clearly disconnected.


How do you know?
If you really think a 20 year old is listening to the same thing at home as a 45 year old, I have a beach in Wyoming I'd like to sell you.
 

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I'm 30 and was raised on Nas, Wu, BCC, Mobb, Big:ahh:, and I refuse to believe these type rappers doesn't exist in this city:whoo: Skyzoo, Torae just dropped a great project:myman: For the youngins, there's the ASAP crew:ehh:, and for the polar opposite: Joe Badass Pro-Era crew:ld: Hot 97, should get wholehearted blame for the death of NYC Hip-Hop:ufdup:How Flex the biggest DJ in the world:stopitslime:, but suddenly lost the power to break his own city records like in the 90s:flabbynsick: The breakdown started from that New Black Culture Vulture Program Director: Ebro:pacspit:
 

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They know of only what labels tell them to check out.

Their older sensibilities push them in certain directions to overlook acts that WONT make it because they don't have the support of the young kids out here.

If you listen to dudes like Rosenberg and Cipha Sounds, they often talk about new cats coming up they like who will NEVER make it because they aren't listening to what young people are ACTUALLY listening to. They're clearly disconnected.



If you really think a 20 year old is listening to the same thing at home as a 45 year old, I have a beach in Wyoming I'd like to sell you.

What specific artist aren't they promoting? How many acres is this beach?

once the Gay T L and the south Started gettn hot in the Early 2000s it was over 4 rap period

I don't think so. The east was still doing their thing in the early 2000s.
 

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i'm pretty sure la still has alot of older dj's so that's not the problem. nyc can't seem to find a new sound that everyone likes. atl really has nothing to follow besides the dungeon family...nyc has so many legends and unhearlded acts that it's going to be hard to please people.
 
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