I think its time to admit that Kanye has eclipsed Jay-z as

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

Kanye=Stringer
Jay=Avon

or is it the other way around?

 

[Brian O'Conner]

Kane is dope but he doesn't write his own rhymes so that disqualifies him imo

 

[Seahawks]

Emo nikkas really tried to unite on this one...Kanyes 5 best better than Jays 5 best....Kany take risk and sum sheep give nikkas extra credit for that...I don't care how many risk u take if ur music ain't no good and Kanyes music been pretty wack and not for me for a while now.....there's a certain type of fanbse who loves Frank Ocean and Odd Future who will enjoy Kanye....same type of nikkas who dress weird bcuz they think its cute just cuz its different nah its gay lookin and retarded....Risk taking is great but id rather him go back to the basics with College Dropout and cut the extra nonsense out.....his music is what happens when u been listening to too much european shyt.

Jay held it down for the streets summer after summer and this the thanks he get...and yes BP3 wuz wack as hell before u ask me...what's that got to do with AG tho

one of the best posters on this site

I dont get the hype over MBDTF, shyt was ass just like 808s and heartbreak was

 

[Wild self]

Emo nikkas really tried to unite on this one...Kanyes 5 best better than Jays 5 best....Kany take risk and sum sheep give nikkas extra credit for that...I don't care how many risk u take if ur music ain't no good and Kanyes music been pretty wack and not for me for a while now.....there's a certain type of fanbse who loves Frank Ocean and Odd Future who will enjoy Kanye....same type of nikkas who dress weird bcuz they think its cute just cuz its different nah its gay lookin and retarded....Risk taking is great but id rather him go back to the basics with College Dropout and cut the extra nonsense out.....his music is what happens when u been listening to too much european shyt.

Jay held it down for the streets summer after summer and this the thanks he get...and yes BP3 wuz wack as hell before u ask me...what's that got to do with AG tho

So weird = less than a "real nikka?"

 

[Rominati]

Emo nikkas really tried to unite on this one...Kanyes 5 best better than Jays 5 best....Kany take risk and sum sheep give nikkas extra credit for that...I don't care how many risk u take if ur music ain't no good and Kanyes music been pretty wack and not for me for a while now.....there's a certain type of fanbse who loves Frank Ocean and Odd Future who will enjoy Kanye....same type of nikkas who dress weird bcuz they think its cute just cuz its different nah its gay lookin and retarded....Risk taking is great but id rather him go back to the basics with College Dropout and cut the extra nonsense out.....his music is what happens when u been listening to too much european shyt.

Jay held it down for the streets summer after summer and this the thanks he get...and yes BP3 wuz wack as hell before u ask me...what's that got to do with AG tho

Dont even hit me with that "real nikka" nonsense b


Im not a fan of Yeezy cuz he wears tight clothes and is a softie. Im a fan of Yeezy because he makes good music


Jay-z dont even have a top 5.


Jay-z top 3 albums are RD,TBA,and AG (I personally feel Vol1 is better but ) , and yes . CD, Late Registration and Graduation all give those 3 albums a run for its money.

 

[No1]

I agree. Obviously Jay as a rapper >>>>>>>>>>> Kanye. That can't be disputed.

But albums? Kanye DOES have the better discography. He's the one referred to as the artistic genius with his albums. He is the better artist.

I was just going through this thread and looking at who dapped that original post and dapped that shyt and slowly losing respect for your taste in music/perspective. Circa 06/07 you could make an argument that during that year Kanye was a better artist. In fact, he was. But overall? Stop it. You Kanye stans need cut it out. I like Ye ' as much as the next person, but Jay just CARRIED Kanye all throughout Watch the Throne, you can't be serious.

This guy just said Kanye has a better discography than

The Blueprint
The Black Album
Reasonable Doubt
American Gangster

Vol.1/Vol.2 (depending on your tastes because people vary). You know what let's not include this.

College Dropout
Late Registration
Graduation
MBDTF


Kanye does not have a single album better than TBA, Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt. That's not even saying those albums aren't great. Every single one of the aforementioned and AG are also better than MBDTF.

 

[No1]

Its comes close. But nah.


Its funny, im not even a hater. im actually a huge fan of Jay-z . But when you look at him from a artistic or musical standpoint he is lacking.


The closest jigga album that could stack up to MBDTF is The Black album, music wise and concept wise.

I can't get with you at all. I like Kanye, but the angle you're going with would make him the greatest hip hop artist of all time if that's how you're spinning it.

 

[Rominati]

Kanye does not have a single album better than TBA, Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt. That's not even saying those albums aren't great. Every single one of the aforementioned and AG are also better than MBDTF.

you gotta be fukking kidding me.


Keep it real right now, have you even listened to Kanye's albums?


Have you eva sat down and went thru late registration in its entirety?

 

[No1]

you gotta be fukking kidding me.


Keep it real right now, have you even listened to Kanye's albums?


Have you eva sat down and went thru late registration in its entirety?

Your opinions are not popular opinion. I have no idea why you think you're in the majority on this shyt. Your OG post got dapped up by a bunch of my boys who are Kanye stans. I'm done here, the fact that you even think it's some clear cut undebatable shyt tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[Rominati]

I can't get with you at all. I like Kanye, but the angle you're going with would make him the greatest hip hop artist of all time if that's how you're spinning it.

Nah nah, not at all


I already admitted that Jay is a better rapper than Ye. But thats not what this thread is about. shyt even Ghostface n DMX are better hip hop artists than Jay-z wen you really think about it


This thread is about impact, having cohesive projects, creating soundscapes, themes, and motifs in hip hop.


Not jus spitting a hot 16 over "popular producer at the time" *insert* (Swizz Beats, Neptunes, Timbaland, Just Blaze, Kanye West ) beats.



Jay is my man 50 grand, helluva of a rapper. But he is severley lacking when it comes to being a artist. You have to be a jigga stan not to see that

 

[No1]

Nah nah, not at all


I already admitted that Jay is a better rapper than Ye. But thats not what this thread is about. Shit even Ghostface n DMX are better hip hop artists than Jay-z wen you really think about it

All right, . No need to talk to you any further. Not only is the bolded dumb as fukk but it's clear you define artist by your own abstract metric and based on that you feel that anyone who disagrees with you is wiling. I don't listen to music with a check list in my hand. Those albums are better albums than Kanye's albums. From critical acclaim to longevity. It's that simple. Based on your abstract metric, Kanye wins against every rapper ever.

Kanye is a great artist, but this nonsense you're trying to do by saying Jay is a "rapper" and Kanye is an "artist" is nothing more than a low key Jay-Z hate thread. I don't know why I get drawn into thinking people on this board actually just ever enjoy the music. *Looks at all those people that 1 starred you including Nas stans* Yep, you're wiling.

*Chucks deuces*

 

[Rominati]

Kanye is a great artist, but this nonsense you're trying to do by saying Jay is a "rapper" and Kanye is an "artist" is nothing more than a low key Jay-Z hate thread. I don't know why I get drawn into thinking people on this board actually just ever enjoy the music. *Looks at all those people that 1 starred you including Nas stans* Yep, you're wiling.

*Chucks deuces*

Whats wrong with you breh?


You coming off wild emotional right now. Now all of a sudden im a Jay-z "hater" (Whateva the fukk that means )


When jus yesterday I stated that Jay-z is the most balanced and consistent MC of all time



http://www.the-coli.com/booth/58912-who-most-balanced-m-c-all-time-3.html#post2173239

I would say Jay-z.


Its funny I like Pac and Nas more than jigga. But I wouldnt even call them balanced artists

So lemme guess, im a Pac and Nas hater too huh?




Just because I say something that doesnt agree with what you saying doesnt mean im fukking hating. You kids on this site are wild childish sometimes.


Thats the problem with this generation. Its always "Hate" this or "You jealous" that.



No DUMB MOTHAfukkA ITS CALLED HAVING A OPINION




nikkas discredited the mass amount of daps I got in one post. Then started talking bout 1-stars in another, talk about grasping for straws

 

[Tom Foolery]

Whats wrong with you breh?


You coming off wild emotional right now. Now all of a sudden im a Jay-z "hater" (Whateva the fukk that means )

You can have video tape of Jay commenting a crime with eyewitnesses, and they will still argue against you. Then when you start bring in facts and examples they call you a hater and bounce. Crazy

 

[JayYoung314]

Umm.... Kanye produces his own music, so him eclipsing jay as an overall artist was never really that hard, but he would never be able to eclipse jay as an overall mc, and thats where the lines stop and this thread becomes void.

 

[Still Benefited]

Dont even hit me with that "real nikka" nonsense b


Im not a fan of Yeezy cuz he wears tight clothes and is a softie. Im a fan of Yeezy because he makes good music


Jay-z dont even have a top 5.


Jay-z top 3 albums are RD,TBA,and AG (I personally feel Vol1 is better but ) , and yes . CD, Late Registration and Graduation all give those 3 albums a run for its money.

Guess we gon act like Bluprint never came out,Vol 2 never happened......and I didn't say anything about u couldn't be a real nikka and like Kanye.....but let's be honest a large portion of Kanyes fans is on that "other side"...what's reffered to as I guess the hipster side who gravitate to everything "different",who wanna hear more musical albums where they favorite artist experiment and incorporate other "types" of music into hiphop

You know what fanbase I'm talkin about,Now let's talk about hiphop fans who don't give a damn about that shyt....that's all cute and everything but nikkas I know that listen to hiphop don't give a damn...better rapper,better hooks,better catalogue,more classic songs that's all Jay-Z....if u can't see that then u have an appreciation for music majority of most hiphop fans could care less about.

Your in the minority I'm sorry....nobody gave a damn if Jay wuz rappin on overly produced songs with orchestras with just the right dash of techno and a hint of a newborn babys cries hidden just beneath the baseline...Jay didn't need "visuals" that's supposed to have sum deep meaning behind them or be groundbreaking....nobody cared about that shyt...maybe sum of these new nikkas is impressed by that shyt but nobody really cared or cares....this hipster takeover is pollutin the game and I been sayin it for a minute now,this souless that's out now and y'all wonder why.

Give Jay a classic yet simple beat,hell supply u with a hook,quotable after quotable and give u a video at a party,in the hood or on a boat....no extra shyt needed.

Musically the bells and whistles just don't make u or ur catalogue better than sumbody who puts out better albums,maybe the original meaning of this thread got lost....if u wanna consider Ye a better artist becuz of the attention to detail he puts into his music that's fine.....but better music to me is better music and Jay does that better than Kanye