I told y'all muh'fukkas that Pop's being left behind.....

[killacal]

The problem with this is, we're in a whole different climate now where teams center their offense around the 3-ball. Pop never had to compete against that before, now the competition has the advantage on him. You're not winning in today's league when your two main options only exist in the midrange.

Pop competed against gs but he's never prepped for the 3 ball
You're literally retarded


Golden state's dry nut in your eye is blinding your judgment

 

[Columbo]

Considering how many consecutive playoff appearences and 50+ win seasons Pop and the Spurs have had, they deserve a few down years

 

[malbaker86]

Lol nah breh, don't take it there.

I never called him a bum.

To me he's the greatest coach of the 90-10s era. That's almost 30 years of basketball.

All I'm saying, and I think Gil as well, is that Pop is being a little stuck in his old ways. Which is very reasonable and plausible given his past success, as recent as 2014.

But Steph Curry, and to a lesser degree Dirk, changed the game. Spacing, range, 3pt value, big men shooting, PnR, and the death of Iso Ball have all radically transformed the NBA in just a few years.

We see it every night, breh.

Spurs still out here playing struggle ball like he's got David Robinson and Antonio Daniels in this bytch.

Pop even came out and said a couple weeks ago that he doesn't even really consider the modern game to be true basketball. He basically called it a glorified 3pt contest. He's not necessarily wrong.

But the game is the game. Pop is disgusted. His teams and coaching style don't seem to have adjusted to the changing times.

You can argue semantics or nitpick a few words or stances in this thread here and there, but Gil isn't wrong with what he's saying and it's no "hot take."

Here's the thing....as us Spurs fans are attempting to let y'all know....it's more to do with lack of talent than anything. LMA and Derozan is a playoff caliber 1-2 punch, but after that, what we're trotting out are players that aren't really that indivudually talented. Rudy Gay is doing all he can, but he's def a shell of his former self at 32 years old and those injuries, Bertans haven't panned out to be the Ryan Anderson type sniper we've hoped for, Patty Mills is washed, same with Gasol (and we made a horrid decision in extending him), Forbes and White just aren't it as reserve guards, and not having Lonnie Walker and Murray has hurt us offensively and defensively as far as additionally scoring and defense from the back court.

One thing I always said hurt us is that we weren't able to lure Gasol from Memphis and had to get LMA instead. Gasol's post defense and passing was tailor made for us which are two things LMA lacks. He also is a better long range/3 point shooter than LMA.

 

[NoMorePie]

Should have signed d rose a kouple years back when he had the chance

Rose in a spurs jersey

But damn kyrie had to announce he wanted to be gone and rose got shafted to the corner

I still have hopes to see rose in a spurs jersey tho

 

[R=G]

Odd thing to say about a 5 year champion.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Lol nah breh, don't take it there.

I never called him a bum.

To me he's the greatest coach of the 90-10s era. That's almost 30 years of basketball.

All I'm saying, and I think Gil as well, is that Pop is being a little stuck in his old ways. Which is very reasonable and plausible given his past success, as recent as 2014.

But Steph Curry, and to a lesser degree Dirk, changed the game. Spacing, range, 3pt value, big men shooting, PnR, and the death of Iso Ball have all radically transformed the NBA in just a few years.

We see it every night, breh.

Spurs still out here playing struggle ball like he's got David Robinson and Antonio Daniels in this bytch.

Pop even came out and said a couple weeks ago that he doesn't even really consider the modern game to be true basketball. He basically called it a glorified 3pt contest. He's not necessarily wrong.

But the game is the game. Pop is disgusted. His teams and coaching style don't seem to have adjusted to the changing times.

You can argue semantics or nitpick a few words or stances in this thread here and there, but Gil isn't wrong with what he's saying and it's no "hot take."

and i'm saying his tactics were effective just last season... not a year ago, 2 years ago, 10 years ago... last season

i'm sure he doesn't like it.. that doesn't mean he's gonna be dumb and just go with what he knows, instead of conforming to what works


i seen him and kawhi put that pressure on the warriors, then kawhi gets injured... next season he takes a team without their best player, to the playoffs again... now we a few games in and he's lost it, can't keep up, being left behind.... even tho he lost like 5-6 players, champions and finals mvps.... and then he loses more players this season to injury

and is he last place? nope... still middle of the pack... give him free agency and a draft and his players coming back... next season will be a breeze

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Here's the thing....as us Spurs fans are attempting to let y'all know....it's more to do with lack of talent than anything. LMA and Derozan is a playoff caliber 1-2 punch, but after that, what we're trotting out are players that aren't really that indivudually talented. Rudy Gay is doing all he can, but he's def a shell of his former self at 32 years old and those injuries, Bertans haven't panned out to be the Ryan Anderson type sniper we've hoped for, Patty Mills is washed, same with Gasol (and we made a horrid decision in extending him), Forbes and White just aren't it as reserve guards, and not having Lonnie Walker and Murray has hurt us offensively and defensively as far as additionally scoring and defense from the back court.

One thing I always said hurt us is that we weren't able to lure Gasol from Memphis and had to get LMA instead. Gasol's post defense and passing was tailor made for us which are two things LMA lacks. He also is a better long range/3 point shooter than LMA.

Except the Spurs have more talent than the majority of teams, in fact, their bench is one of the best-performing groups thus far (almost every lineup containing personnel from the second unit is among the team's highest net-rated - funnily enough, this is weighted heavily because of their 3-pt activity - 7th in 3-pt attempts). The problem isn't the lack of talent/depth, it's the approach on offense, specifically the activity of LMA and DeRozan: it's shrinking the floor space (opposition teams have less ground to cover on defense) and it's playing a dead-end game with the rest of the league because despite the talents of them both, taking considerably more midrange/long 2s than 3s is swimming against the tide (there's a reason why no other team's main options' shot selections compares). Especially when almost every team's offense is centered around the 3-ball, it only puts them at more of a disadvantage.

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Houston has a worse record than the Spurs and they take a lot of threes, well besides the fact they've experienced more injuries/personnel turnover, have less depth, and we saw them destroy the Spurs with the 3-ball a couple weeks ago, if they took the same approach on offense as the Spurs did their record would be comparable to the Suns/Hawks.

 

[malbaker86]

Except the Spurs have more talent than the majority of teams, in fact, their bench is one of the best-performing groups thus far (almost every lineup containing personnel from the second unit is among the team's highest net-rated - funnily enough, this is weighted heavily because of their 3-pt activity - 7th in 3-pt attempts). The problem isn't the lack of talent/depth, it's the approach on offense, specifically the activity of LMA and DeRozan: it's shrinking the floor space (opposition teams have less ground to cover on defense) and it's playing a dead-end game with the rest of the league because despite the talents of them both, taking considerably more midrange/long 2s than 3s is swimming against the tide. Especially when almost every team's offense is centered around the 3-ball, it only puts them at more of a disadvantage.

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Houston has a worse record than the Spurs and they take a lot of threes, well besides the fact they've experienced more injuries/personnel turnover, have less depth, and we saw them destroy the Spurs with the 3-ball a couple weeks ago, if they took the same approach on offense as the Spurs did their record would be comparable to the Suns/Hawks.

It CLEARLY is a lack of talent and depth bruh, ain't no way around it

 

[Regular_P]

Their overall talent is meh and their two best players both take a lot of long twos and can't/won't shoot threes. There is a massive leadership void with Manu/Parker being gone as well.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It CLEARLY is a lack of talent and depth bruh, ain't no way around it

Spurs bench:

4th in points per game
7th in efficiency RD
And as I said above, "almost every lineup containing personnel from the second unit is among the team's highest net-rated"

The bench hasn't been the problem, as most of the time they're either extending leads or cutting into deficits (a large part of this is down to their 3-pt activity), more than the starting lineup is. There's a fluidness to how they operate, because of the spacing and looks they generate that you just don't see from the starting lineup - if the starting lineup adopted the bench's mentality on offense the team would be hitting their heads on the ceiling. Does that mean y'all bench is full of transcendent role players who're in their primes? Nah, it just means they're not the root problem.

Murray out for the year AND Lonnie Walker haven't played yet.

Team lacks a 3rd option offensively (which one of them would have been) more than anything but w/e

A lot of teams would kill to have Rudy Gay as their third option. shyt, almost every team would kill to have DeRozan-LMA-Rudy type-talent to lead their team.

 

[Tres Leches]

Pop beat lebron with the 3 ball 4 years ago





If anything his roster is garbage this yr and now he has defrozen the fraud

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Pop beat lebron with the 3 ball 4 years ago

Except that was FOUR years ago, the climate of the league has changed drastically since then. The Spurs' 3-pt activity is nearly identical to what it was seven years ago, whereas every other team's activity has increased exponentially since then, to the point where their offense functions around the 3-ball; the 3-point shot has always been supplemental in Pop's system, not the focus of.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Kawhi only played 9 games last season
Manu only averaged 18 minutes off the bench
Parker only averaged 19 minutes off the bench, and played just over half the season

He still has LMA, and he has another All-Star in DeRozan to fill the void - better #1/#2 options than a # of teams. The Spurs actually are more equipped offensively than they were last season. The problem is their approach on offense isn't relevant anymore (taking more midrange/long 2s than 3s - ad nauseam) and they're being left behind because they can't keep up with the 3-pt climate.

better than what teams


the teams that's going nowhe. everybody knows these two are nothing but stat patters on shytty teams... whenever it's time to actually perform in a big moment, we know what happens. 1-2 punch is more like a 3-4 option on any championship team. i'm not sure either would sniff contenders starting lineups

 

[CrimsonTider]

Lord have mercy. I'm amazed at how folks still can't grasp simple shyt about a simple game.

You are more informed than Pop?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You are more informed than Pop?

Are you more informed on all the coaches you shyt on?