I told y'all muh'fukkas that Pop's being left behind.....
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The Warriors didn't shoot enough threes I guess
Even his favorite coach Kerr would bush this take
As unable to be nearly has competitive in this 3pt era with 2 All Stars who are midrange specialists?
Exposed as what exactly?
I get that he lost Dejounte Murray.
Still. The Mavs, Clippers, Grizz, and goddamn Kings are doing better than the Spurs right now.
They basically ADDED Derozan for free (Kawhi didn't even play last year). So losing geriatric Parker and Ginobli is going to mean you're worse than the Kings?
shyt don't add up. I get that it's early into the season. Still looks spooky.
Unless you think adding old ass Pau Gasol from injury and getting Murray back is going to turn them into legit competition for the Warriors. Or they'll look like last year's Rockets. Or OKC currently. I don't see it.
When the Spurs are winning, it's The System. When they're losing, Pop doesn't have the talent. Two All Stars isn't enough. Got it.
We'll see what it looks like when Gasol gets back from injury. We'll see what it looks like when they get Murray next year. And then if Derozan leaves or LMA and Pau age and get shyttier, there will be more excuses, right?
Pop lost two of his better young wing players because of rifts in Kawhi and Simmons. They flat out no longer wanted to play for SAS. When they were there everybody talmbout OH WE GOT PIECES. I guess we'll overlook that as well. Although I wonder why they no longer wanted to play there...
And again, like it needs to be reiterated, shooting 3s is more beneficial to floor spacing and efficiency than shooting long 2s. I don't know why this needs to be overlayed all the time.The problem with this is, you have to adapt, not every team that has an offense structured around the 3-ball has a vast amount of natural shooters, they too have "midrange players" and post players, it's just they've sculpted their personnel:
Brook Lopez is attempting seven 3-pointers per game
Blake Griffin is attempting six three-pointers per game
Aaron Gordon is attempting four 3-pointers per game
Marc Gasol is attempting four 3-pointers per game
Joel Embiid is attempting four 3-pointers per game
Al Horford is attempting four 3-pointers per game
All of these big men are inherently post/midrange players, but they've adapted for the sake of their respective team's offense. There are plenty of guards/wings who are "midrange players", but have adjusted too.
LaMarcus Aldridge is attempting 0.4 threes per game (funnily enough he was working on his 3-pt shot all summer - LMA's been sharpening his 3-point shot)
DeMar DeRozan is attempting 1.6 threes per game (DeRozan attempted 3.6 threes last season in Toronto)
They're both taking over eight long 2s per game (combined)
The Spurs starting lineup is 22nd in points per game and 30th in 3-point attempts (11 per game - most of the best starting offenses are attempting 20-25 per game).
How do you expect them to have any success on the offensive end if their two main options are taking 4x the amount of long 2s than the amount of 3s? How do you expect them to have any success on the offensive end if they're taking half the amount of 3s than most other starting offenses? How do you expect them to have any success on the offensive end when they can't keep up with other starting offenses' points per possession rates? How do you expect them to have any success on the offensive end when they're shrinking the floor (making it easier for opposing defenses, and harder for their own teammates) where their two main options are fighting over possessions in the same areas, taking the least valuable/efficient shot in basketball?
He's being left behind, and if he's not careful, just like Phil, he'll be outta the league soon too if he doesn't adapt.
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keep trying to sell us on those "all stars"
the entire basketball world has seen they ain't shyt... demoted will never be an all star again in life... lucky he came out the east.. that's over now
LA was a reserve in 2018 and wouldn't be there if someone else wasn't hurt... he last made it in 2016 before that... in other words... another nikka that will never make another all star again unless he goes east
these dudes are not it... period.. NOBODY from former players to nikkas on the coli is buying that brand
Stop forcing all this narrative shyt, they're still one of best big man-guard duos in the league. I mean, it's a testament to their talents that they're still keeping themselves afloat in this 3-ball climate while taking all these long 2s (even if it's at the detriment of their team's offense). It's like y'all muh'fukkas don't wanna break out of the hold that y'all childhoods trapped you in - it's the only logical explanation for why you can't comprehend what's going on.
Teams are functioning better on offense with less talent.
They are suffering because the west is stronger than ever and their best player is limited DeRozan and an aging LMA. It has nothing to do with imbracing the three ball. They are simply not good enough
Pop basically told Simmons to get his money...Simmons wanted more playing time as well....
Kawhi couldn't have a 1 on 1 discussion and speak for himself..
These are new players who are just starting to play with each other...
Its gonna take time....
The whole starting lineup besides Aldridge is new..
The bench is basically new parts...
Bruh..no spurs fan putting faith in Pau Gasol.
We knew the season was in shambles when Kawhi got traded
We knew the season was a complete wrap when dejounte got hurt...
This year is about getting the younger guys some run with each other and potentially trading into the lottery...
Pop gets quite a bit of heat for some of the shyt he pulls...Patty Mills guarding Giannis is one example
It'd probably be wise to read through the thread before posting something I've already debunked.
I'd like to believe that part of what is holding back the Spurs pacing and perimeter shooting is the roster.
In years past, the Spurs would at least rank in the middle of the pack in 3 point shooting. And generally near the top in shooting percentage.
I don't know if the Spurs have made a point to shoot less threes, but I do agree that it is concerning.
In years past, the Spurs would at least rank in the middle of the pack in 3 point shooting. And generally near the top in shooting percentage.
I don't know if the Spurs have made a point to shoot less threes, but I do agree that it is concerning.
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These niccas is idiotsSupposedly in less than two years the game of basketball has passed Pop by, nevermind he lost all those players
The only "idiots" are the ones who can't see league-wide 3-pt activity has increased rapidly over the last few years, whereas the Spurs' has stayed relatively the same over the last five-plus seasons. The only "idiots" are the ones who don't realize it's counterproductive for a team's main options to attempt considerably more long 2s than 3s, whereas every single other team's is attempting more 3s.
Does Pop have it right, and every single other coach in the league have it wrong?
Like I mentioned in this thread, not every roster has natural shooters, almost every team has been forced to adapt, which is why you've got a player like Blake who's attempting SIX per game, which is allowing him and Drummond to co-exist, and space the floor for his team's offense - the Pistons would be put at a significant disadvantage if he decided to replace all those 3s with long 2s, which is what LMA and DeRozan are doing. shyt, LMA was working on his 3-pt shot in the summer and even alluded to needing to keep pace with the league, and yet this season he's only averaging 0.3 a game.
"The Spurs have typically been one of the slowest-paced teams for a while now, that doesn't explain why their 3-pt rate has barely changed over the last five seasons (21 three-point attempts per game at a 94 possession rate in 2012; 24 three-point attempts per game at a 98 possession rate in 2018). Taking into account pace, their 3-pt rate is nearly identical to what it was five seasons ago, whereas almost every team has notably increased their 3-pt activity.
Let me reiterate - when you take into account pace, the Spurs' 3-pt activity this season is nearly identical to what it was over FIVE seasons ago. "
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Why are folks continuing to bring up the Spurs' personnel as reasoning why for LMA and DeRozan are attempting considerably more long-2s than 3s?
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