I told y'all muh'fukkas that Pop's being left behind.....

[The Devil's Advocate]

The only "idiots" are the ones who can't see league-wide 3-pt activity has increased rapidly over the last few years, whereas the Spurs' has stayed relatively the same over the last five-plus seasons. The only "idiots" are the ones who don't realize it's counterproductive for a team's main options to attempt considerably more long 2s than 3s, whereas every single other team's is attempting more 3s.

Does Pop have it right, and every single other coach in the league have it wrong?



Like I mentioned in this thread, not every roster has natural shooters, almost every team has been forced to adapt, which is why you've got a player like Blake who's attempting SIX per game, which is allowing him and Drummond to co-exist, and space the floor for his team's offense - the Pistons would be put at a significant disadvantage if he decided to replace all those 3s with long 2s, which is what LMA and DeRozan are doing. shyt, LMA was working on his 3-pt shot in the summer and even alluded to needing to keep pace with the league, and yet this season he's only averaging 0.3 a game.

"The Spurs have typically been one of the slowest-paced teams for a while now, that doesn't explain why their 3-pt rate has barely changed over the last five seasons (21 three-point attempts per game at a 94 possession rate in 2012; 24 three-point attempts per game at a 98 possession rate in 2018). Taking into account pace, their 3-pt rate is nearly identical to what it was five seasons ago, whereas almost every team has notably increased their 3-pt activity.

Let me reiterate - when you take into account pace, the Spurs' 3-pt activity this season is nearly identical to what it was over FIVE seasons ago. "

nikka saying "shoot more 3's"

WHO?????

look at the roster... look at who takes the 3's and how many... please inform us, who else should be getting schemed to take MORE 3's...


Please tell us all, what EXACTLY, should Pop do, to change things around. And don't say trade or FA cause that's our answer, that you seem to think is wrong. So make sure to only use the current roster of non injured players


we'll wait

 

[satam55]

Lol nah breh, don't take it there.

I never called him a bum.

To me he's the greatest coach of the 90-10s era. That's almost 30 years of basketball.

All I'm saying, and I think Gil as well, is that Pop is being a little stuck in his old ways. Which is very reasonable and plausible given his past success, as recent as 2014.

But Steph Curry, and to a lesser degree Dirk, changed the game. Spacing, range, 3pt value, big men shooting, PnR, and the death of Iso Ball have all radically transformed the NBA in just a few years.

We see it every night, breh.

Spurs still out here playing struggle ball like he's got David Robinson and Antonio Daniels in this bytch.

Pop even came out and said a couple weeks ago that he doesn't even really consider the modern game to be true basketball. He basically called it a glorified 3pt contest. He's not necessarily wrong.

But the game is the game. Pop is disgusted. His teams and coaching style don't seem to have adjusted to the changing times.

You can argue semantics or nitpick a few words or stances in this thread here and there, but Gil isn't wrong with what he's saying and it's no "hot take."

I could've sworn a big reason for the Spurs winning the NBA title in 2014 is them opening up their offense or am I wrong? @Gil Scott-Heroin

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Why are folks continuing to bring up the Spurs' personnel as reasoning why for LMA and DeRozan are attempting considerably more long-2s than 3s?

cause if they had actual good players who shoot 3's... they'd not be shooting those shots

you acting like Pop is telling Klay, Steph and KD to shoot 2's.. nikka you want LMA out there hitting 3's?? How about DeChoking?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

nikka saying "shoot more 3's"

WHO?????

look at the roster... look at who takes the 3's and how many... please inform us, who else should be getting schemed to take MORE 3's...

LMA and DeRozan both should be cutting down on those long 2s, and replacing them with 3s, for the sake of spacing and efficiency. I don't know why this is so hard for y'all muh'fukkas to comprehend. How many times do I need to repeat this? Blake Griffin is attempting SIX per game, and he's a less-skilled shooter than both of them, yet if he adopted the same approach as they did on offense, the Pistons offense would be at a significant disadvantage.

This shyt is basketball 101.

cause if they had actual good players who shoot 3's... they'd not be shooting those shots

you acting like Pop is telling Klay, Steph and KD to shoot 2's.. nikka you want LMA out there hitting 3's?? How about DeChoking?

This isn't how it works - not every single team that centers their offense around the 3-ball has players that are naturally good at shooting behind the arc, they had to adapt to keep pace with the league - something which the Spurs aren't doing. There's a reason why they're the only team who takes more long 2s than 3s.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

2014 Finals, Spurs took and made more threes than the Heat did, and the Heat were one of the big "spread the floor and hit threes" teams.

Patty: 2.6 made threes/game on 57%
Kawhi: 2.2 made threes/game on 58%
Ginobli: 2.0 made threes/game on 42%
Green: 1.8 made threes/game on 45%
TP: 1.0 made threes/game on 42%
Belinelli: 0.8 made threes/game on 44%
Diaw: 0.6 made threes/game on 33%

That's obviously weaponizing the three to spread the floor and doing it very effectively.

The year before in the 2013 Finals they were shooting 20+ threes/game and making 40+% too. Even with Ray/LeBron/Battier/Miller/Chalmers on the other side, they took more threes than the Heat did.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

LMA and DeRozan both should be cutting down on those long 2s, and replacing them with 3s, for the sake of spacing and efficiency. I don't know why this is so hard for y'all muh'fukkas to comprehend. How many times do I need to repeat this? Blake Griffin is attempting SIX per game, and he's a less-skilled shooter than both of them, yet if he adopted the same approach as they did on offense, the Pistons offense would be at a significant disadvantage.

This shyt is basketball 101.

This isn't how it works - not every single team that centers their offense around the 3-ball has players that are naturally good at shooting behind the arc, they had to adapt to keep pace with the league - something which the Spurs aren't doing. There's a reason why they're the only team who takes more long 2s than 3s.

blake shoots more for WHAT? his percentage is a whopping .020 higher than his best year... he's shooting 36%...

LMA has NEVER attempted more than 1.5 a game in his career... and is also a career 28% from 3... but fukk it.... shoot more breh.. it'll work out

Derozen is your best bet....... and in his most amazing year, last year.... he shot 3.6 a game with a out of this world percentage of............... 31% that's his best year.... career avg is....... here's that number again..... 28%




so what you like to see is Bricks Griffin shooting 3's while also praying for them to go in.... and now you want to bring that to the spurs... 5th in offense effeciency... and you want two 28% from three ass nikkas, to start chucking the ball up 10-12 MORE times a game



nikka your whole argument flew right out the window with that dumb shyt.... natural shooter my ass.. show us these players who were shyt and somehow turned into Dirk all the sudden. We keep trying to tell you these two are bums... No franchise trades away/lets go of top talent without a max offer and a fight.. not even the nba cares about these nikkas but here you are, wishing them into 3 point hell

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

blake shoots more for WHAT? his percentage is a whopping .020 higher than his best year... he's shooting 36%...

Let me break this down for you, since you can't seem to understand the simple concept of 3 >2:

Blake is scoring 7 points from 6.2 three-point shots (37%), which is the equivalent of hitting two-point shots at 56%. That means in order for him to match his efficiency on 3-pt shots, he'd need to convert his long 2s at 56%, which he's not capable of doing. And this is without taking into account, his 3-pt activity spaces the floor more, which in turn forces defenses to cover more ground, and therefore, gives his teammates for space to operate in.

LMA has NEVER attempted more than 1.5 a game in his career... and is also a career 28% from 3... but fukk it.... shoot more breh.. it'll work out

Derozen is your best bet....... and in his most amazing year, last year.... he shot 3.6 a game with a out of this world percentage of............... 31% that's his best year.... career avg is....... here's that number again..... 28%

Again, he scored 3.3 points on 3.6 shots, which is the equivalent of hitting two-point shots at 44% - he only shot 39% on long 2s last season which is less efficient than what he shot from behind the arc. This is why LMA and DeRozan need to get their 3-pt volume up, because it only stands to reason that they're going to be more efficient from behind the arc than they would taking long 2s. And like I said above, not only does it more sense for their efficiency, but it spaces the floor for the lineups they're in.

Again, basketball 101.

so what you like to see is Bricks Griffin shooting 3's while also praying for them to go in.... and now you want to bring that to the spurs... 5th in offense effeciency... and you want two 28% from three ass nikkas, to start chucking the ball up 10-12 MORE times a game

Where are you getting this stat from?

LMA and DeRozan should be replacing their long 2s for 3s, it's that simple. To argue that they should be taking more long 2s than 3s is arguing against all reason, it's that simple.

nikka your whole argument flew right out the window with that dumb shyt.... natural shooter my ass.. show us these players who were shyt and somehow turned into Dirk all the sudden.

What the fukk are you even saying here? I'm arguing that you don't need to be a "natural shooter" to stop taking long 2s and replace them with 3s - Blake is evidence of this, as is a # of big men and guards all throughout the league. They don't need to turn into Dirk, all they to do is take more efficient shots: there's a reason why that 16ft - to the arc space is called the most inefficient shot in the game.

 

[#1 pick]

Gil's points don't equal Gil's answer.

Gil's points is that the NBA has become more pace and space than ever. The numbers prove it across the board therefore anyone not adjusting is losing. Hence Pop.

Where Gil's points just don't equal his answer is that the game left Pop behind. I watch SAS. They still execution at a higher level than most. Their defense is just much worse due to a lack of personnel and depth (Walker and Murray injuries) and they lack shooters. So even if SA became a team that shot threes at a higher clip. The results of where SA would be today would not be much different. This is where Gil is looking like a dumbass and no one with sense will dap his dumbass replies on this topic.

It's basically correlation. What Gil should say is, should Pop adjust his coaching style to the modern NBA considering the trends? That would be a reasonable question. I feel like he is playing to the strengths of his personnel and coaching them up to get the most out of them within the system. What dumbass Gil did is try to tell everyone the game has left Pop, Gil is smarter than Pop, Gil is a fukking dumbass for the most part so he starts looking like @Swagnificent when topics come up because of his arrogance and lack of mental awareness.

That said, Gil is a smart dude. He is just a dumbass from the stance that he is stubborn as hell and has a tendency to have strong opinions without watching shyt and just being wrong altogether while preaching he's right.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Let me break this down for you, since you can't seem to understand the simple concept of 3 >2:

Blake is scoring 7 points from 6.2 three-point shots (37%), which is the equivalent of hitting two-point shots at 56%. That means in order for him to match his efficiency on 3-pt shots, he'd need to convert his long 2s at 56%, which he's not capable of doing. And this is without taking into account, his 3-pt activity spaces the floor more, which in turn forces defenses to cover more ground, and therefore, gives his teammates for space to operate in.

Again, he scored 3.3 points on 3.6 shots, which is the equivalent of hitting two-point shots at 44% - he only shot 39% on long 2s last season which is less efficient than what he shot from behind the arc. This is why LMA and DeRozan need to get their 3-pt volume up, because it only stands to reason that they're going to be more efficient from behind the arc than they would taking long 2s. And like I said above, not only does it more sense for their efficiency, but it spaces the floor for the lineups they're in.

Again, basketball 101.

Where are you getting this stat from?

LMA and DeRozan should be replacing their long 2s for 3s, it's that simple. To argue that they should be taking more long 2s than 3s is arguing against all reason, it's that simple.

What the fukk are you even saying here? I'm arguing that you don't need to be a "natural shooter" to stop taking long 2s and replace them with 3s - Blake is evidence of this, as is a # of big men and guards all throughout the league. They don't need to turn into Dirk, all they to do is take more efficient shots: there's a reason why that 16ft - to the arc space is called the most inefficient shot in the game.

you just talking analytics but can't read find important info.... a quick google will tell you they're 5th



so you gonna go ahead and have these two BUMS chucking up bricks... every 10 shots, 2-3 will go in.... meanwhile the defense grabbing all those boards, team getting demoralized, who knows if they hit more or miss more with added shots, and they damn sure ain't been doing any improving


but yea... go ahead and say fukk it.... shoot these joints up... don't actually move in and take the better shot... move out, to where you do immensely worse at, and chuck those.... that'll get us back to the offs





you done here fam

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I could've sworn a big reason for the Spurs winning the NBA title in 2014 is them opening up their offense or am I wrong? @Gil Scott-Heroin

The problem with this is, the Spurs attempted 21 threes per game in 2014, which was right on the league-average (21 per game), but since then, the league's 3-pt activity has increased exponentially, and the league-average this season is 31 per game, and the Spurs only take 24 per game, which is the lowest in the league. And to make matters worse, the Spurs' starters only attempt 11.8 per game, which is HALF the 3-pt attempts that most high-powered starting offenses in the league take - Warriors' starters take 24 per game; Rockets' starters take 28 per game; Denver take 20 per game; Toronto take 18.5 per game).

This is why I'm saying that the Spurs are being left behind, because the rest of the league has this advantage on them, and they can't keep up because LMA and DeRozan are shooting any chance they have at matching their opposition away, because they're opting to take long 2s.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

you just talking analytics but can't read find important info.... a quick google will tell you they're 5th

They're 5th in what? State clearly what you're talking about and with a reference, and why you think them being "5th" in whatever it is, adds weight to your argument.

so you gonna go ahead and have these two BUMS chucking up bricks... every 10 shots, 2-3 will go in.... meanwhile the defense grabbing all those boards, team getting demoralized, who knows if they hit more or miss more with added shots, and they damn sure ain't been doing any improving


but yea... go ahead and say fukk it.... shoot these joints up... don't actually move in and take the better shot... move out, to where you do immensely worse at, and chuck those.... that'll get us back to the offs





you done here fam

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, which is why you're resorting to typing out a whole bunch of nonsense instead of actually addressing my argument. The fact here is this: shooting 3s is more beneficial to a team's offense than it is than shooting long 2s, there's a reason why EVERY single team in the league is taking this approach, and the only team that isn't is the Spurs.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's basically correlation. What Gil should say is, should Pop adjust his coaching style to the modern NBA considering the trends? That would be a reasonable question. I feel like he is playing to the strengths of his personnel and coaching them up to get the most out of them within the system. What dumbass Gil did is try to tell everyone the game has left Pop, Gil is smarter than Pop, Gil is a fukking dumbass for the most part so he starts looking like @Swagnificent when topics come up because of his arrogance and lack of mental awareness.

This is the only point worth addressing in your nonsense post - it's no good playing to the strengths of your personnel if you're being left behind in the process. Making Blake Griffin shoot 3s isn't playing to his strengths, because he's not a natural shooter, but he's made it a strength because it's a necessity not only for his own offense to succeed but for his team's. Do you seriously think he and the Pistons would be better off shooting more long 2s (than 3s), sacrificing efficiency and spacing?

Every single team (sans Spurs) are attempting more 3s than long 2s, not because they're playing to the strengths of their personnel, but because it's a nessacity to win.

Don't come at me with this fukk nikka shyt again.

 

[#1 pick]

This is the only point worth addressing in your nonsense post - it's no good playing to the strengths of your personnel if you're being left behind in the process. Making Blake Griffin shoot 3s isn't playing to his strengths, because he's not a natural shooter, but he's made it a strength because it's a necessity not only for his own offense to succeed but for his team's. Do you seriously think he and the Pistons would be better off shooting more long 2s (than 3s), sacrificing efficiency and spacing?

Every single team (sans Spurs) are attempting more 3s than long 2s, not because they're playing to the strengths of their personnel, but because it's a nessacity to win.

Don't come at me with this fukk nikka shyt again.

I just came at your dumbass. What you gonna do other than make me mad and then I'll have to knock you out?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I just came at you dumbass. What you gonna do other than make me mad?

Answer the muh'fukken question -

"This is the only point worth addressing in your nonsense post - it's no good playing to the strengths of your personnel if you're being left behind in the process. Making Blake Griffin shoot 3s isn't playing to his strengths, because he's not a natural shooter, but he's made it a strength because it's a necessity not only for his own offense to succeed but for his team's. Do you seriously think he and the Pistons would be better off shooting more long 2s (than 3s), sacrificing efficiency and spacing?

Every single team (sans Spurs) are attempting more 3s than long 2s, not because they're playing to the strengths of their personnel, but because it's a nessacity to win."

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

They're 5th in what? State clearly what you're talking about and with a reference, and why you think them being "5th" in what it is, adds weight to your argument.

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, which is why you're resorting to typing out a whole bunch of nonsense instead of actually addressing my argument. The fact here is this: shooting 3s is more beneficial to a team's offense than it is than shooting long 2s, there's a reason why EVERY single team in the league is taking this approach, and the only team that isn't is the Spurs.

YES IF YOU CAN HIT THE fukkING 3.... bricking 3's is a lot less beneficial.... which is what would happen with these shytty nikkas shooting them... old textbook ass nikka. now i see why actual basketball players hate y'all nikkas.. talking about make believe, what if's, as if nothing else in the game would be effected by all these bricks and outside play by two players who CANNOT play out there... Like Bum Griffin and the Pistons, 24th... Cause they waste time chucking up 6 trash 3's, when he should be going to the hole


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we just aren't gonna see eye to eye... i'm gonna check in next season, when actual 3 point shooters, are shooting the 3's.. Nobody wanna hear about these bums, Blake included, chucking up a bunch of bricks. Pop is EFFIFIENCT.. he's not gonna install an offense that says "Let the two guys who shoot 28% in their career, take all the 3's guys"

Give it up... Nobody with any ties to the NBA, is making this argument cause it's nonsense.. But you know more than allllllllllllllllllll those guys right? You seeing what nobody on the billionaire spurs head office team can see... "Just chuck up more 3's Pop" "Wow I never thought of that"

Just stop it